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re: Nebraska assistant football coach really really really does not like gay people
Posted on 4/27/12 at 6:35 am to AlwysATgr
Posted on 4/27/12 at 6:35 am to AlwysATgr
quote:And if you stand behind a podium and say that to the media while wearing a polo with your company's logo on it, you might be fired for making your company look like a bunch of stupid morons. And it would be fair.
Homosexuality is sexual perversion. It is unnatural, unhealthy, and ungodly. Nothing hateful to say as much. Just simple Biblical truth.
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Posted on 4/27/12 at 6:40 am to WDE24
For those of you defending brown, what of one of his players went public saying that his comments were homophobic and do not belong at NU? Would you defend that player for expressing his beliefs?
Posted on 4/27/12 at 8:53 am to M Le Rip
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for making your company look like a bunch of stupid morons
In the eyes of whom? And why would anyone diaagree? Is there evidence to the contrary?
So coaches at Nebraska have written in their contracts that they have to forfeit their Constituional freedoms?
Popular opinion is often shown to be flawed. It takes courage to speak up like Coach Brown. I applaud him.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 9:22 am to AlwysATgr
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Popular opinion is often shown to be flawed. It takes courage to speak up like Coach Brown.
he's not really bucking public opinion so much as saying things that are socially accepted by people he grew up around
In somewhat the same way that George Wallace stood up and said "segregation now, segregation forever"
That was the speech of a bigot - but it was socially reinforced by many people from his part of the country - so to argue he was disputing or correcting public opinion is probably just wrong. He was just giving voice to the prejudice that was prevalent in his community
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:30 pm to molsusports
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so to argue he was disputing or correcting public opinion is probably just wrong. He was just giving voice to the prejudice that was prevalent in his community
If not popular opinion who is it that is taking issue witht the words of Coach Brown? Popular opinion holds that homosexuality is innate and warrants special protection and to oppose it publicly is nothing less than "hateful, homophobic, bigoted, etc."
I know little about Coach Brown but in the article linked in the OP, he grounded his views in Scripture, not the "people he grew up around."
His views as voiced are fully consistent with Scripture whatever the people believed whom he grew up around.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:32 pm to LSUMastermind
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shite, I agree with him.
no need to be politically correct on this
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:42 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:In the eyes of the people who have the power to fire you, the only eyes that matter in the situation.
In the eyes of whom?
quote:If fired and only fired, his Constitutional freedoms will have been protected.
So coaches at Nebraska have written in their contracts that they have to forfeit their Constituional freedoms?
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Popular opinion is often shown to be flawed. It takes courage to speak up like Coach Brown. I applaud him.
It doesn't take courage to hide behind a misinterpreted scripture when you espouse hate-filled beliefs. When you go out of your way and put your job on the line to crusade against homosexuality, something's probably up with you.
No matter what you or I or he believes, Brown's beliefs are protected; he has the right to believe whatever he believes, but he doesn't have the right to keep his job if he causes a ruckus at work.
This post was edited on 4/27/12 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 4/27/12 at 4:30 pm to M Le Rip
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the only eyes that matter in the situation
OK, I'm confused. Who has the authority to fire him? Osborne's good. Pelini likes him. So who: a) considers him a moron and b) has the authority to fire him?
Homosexuality is a moral issue on which (I assume) Nebraska coaches still have the freedoms to voice their opinions. He is responding to an effort to legitimize sexual perversion.
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It doesn't take courage to hide behind a misinterpreted scripture when you espouse hate-filled beliefs.
So which Scripture is he misinterpreting? His views are consistent with Scripture and the views of Jesus. Is Jesus hateful? Homosexuality is sexually perverted.
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When you go out of your way and put your job on the line to crusade against homosexuality, something's probably up with you.
The article in the OP portrays him as responding, not "crusading." BTw, what is there to crusade against?
It is better to stand alone with the truth than to stand with the multitude in error. Kudos to Coach Brown!
Posted on 4/27/12 at 5:00 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:Moot. If anyone above him determines that the way he expresses his hateful views harms the image of the team, athletic department, or university, he's toast. It's how these things work. If fired, he won't be fired for his beliefs; he'll be fired for expressing them in a way that makes his peers and superiors not wan him working with them, and it'll be his own damn fault for saying something stupid.
OK, I'm confused. Who has the authority to fire him? Osborne's good. Pelini likes him. So who: a) considers him a moron and b) has the authority to fire him? Homosexuality is a moral issue on which (I assume) Nebraska coaches still have the freedoms to voice their opinions. He is responding to an effort to legitimize sexual perversion.
quote:Doesn't matter. He may have pissed off his boss. That can get you fired.
So which Scripture is he misinterpreting? His views are consistent with Scripture and the views of Jesus. Is Jesus hateful? Homosexuality is sexually perverted.
quote:Too bad he doesn't know the truth. I hope he gets fired. No matter how homophobic you are, publicly saying homophobic things never ever helps anyone or anything. All it's going to do is make Brown look secretly gay, make Nebraska look a little bad, and maybe get him fired.
The article in the OP portrays him as responding, not "crusading." BTw, what is there to crusade against? It is better to stand alone with the truth than to stand with the multitude in error. Kudos to Coach Brown!
What a dumb arse. Anybody who lets their prejudice come between them and their job is a goofus. And no he didn't just "react" to something. He actively testified at a hearing. He went out of his way to try to impose his sexual issues on others. I don't see why NU should be required to keep a football coach who all but publicly stated that over 1000 of its students are going to hell.
Again, what if he put a jihad on all Christians? Would that be ok?
This post was edited on 4/27/12 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 4/27/12 at 6:17 pm to Sophandros
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did YOU decide YOUR orientation?
don't we all, every day?
Posted on 4/27/12 at 6:33 pm to chinese58
I agree with him
Posted on 4/27/12 at 7:10 pm to chinese58
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did YOU decide YOUR orientation?
don't we all, every day?
if you're struggling with your choice perhaps not everyone will relate
Posted on 4/27/12 at 7:15 pm to M Le Rip
He should be fired - not because he hates homosexuals but because he's stupid enough to take the bible literally.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 7:16 pm to AlwysATgr
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Popular opinion is often shown to be flawed.
Yeah. Something like 90% of Americans believe in God.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 7:22 pm to AlwysATgr
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Popular opinion is often shown to be flawed. It takes courage to speak up like Coach Brown. I applaud him.
I don't. I find him to be a coward and homophobe. In my eyes that's the equivalent with being a racist.
But the uneducated, the bible thumpers, and the high school kids rally around him like he is a man of strength and conviction, when in reality he is judging someone based on their sexual orientation, and not the content of their character.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 7:32 pm to M Le Rip
Goddamn you people are stupid.
The Bible was written over 2000 years ago when there was no understanding of human sexuality. Furthermore, judeo-Christian tradition teaches love of neighbor.
Gay people have done nothing to warrant hatred, derision and discrimination. They don't want special treatment as one moron posted,they want equal treatment.
The odd thing is that many here think free, promiscuous heterosexual expression is okay (even though "the Bible" labels it sinful). Not everyone believes in the bible and, in a free society with separation of church and state, it should have no standing in civil discourse.
Brown is free to spout his hatred but that doesn't make his ignorant, bigoted views right. He should STFU.
The Bible was written over 2000 years ago when there was no understanding of human sexuality. Furthermore, judeo-Christian tradition teaches love of neighbor.
Gay people have done nothing to warrant hatred, derision and discrimination. They don't want special treatment as one moron posted,they want equal treatment.
The odd thing is that many here think free, promiscuous heterosexual expression is okay (even though "the Bible" labels it sinful). Not everyone believes in the bible and, in a free society with separation of church and state, it should have no standing in civil discourse.
Brown is free to spout his hatred but that doesn't make his ignorant, bigoted views right. He should STFU.
This post was edited on 4/28/12 at 4:46 am
Posted on 4/27/12 at 7:39 pm to AlwysATgr
nothing like nitpicking morality out of the bible while ignoring the other messages it says. he needs to read it again if he thinks that the bible promotes equal protection for women and people of unchosen race
Posted on 4/27/12 at 9:00 pm to M Le Rip
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hateful views
Nothing in his views as voiced was hateful. Just truth. Of course, darkness can't resist light but it can label it "hateful" before man.
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saying something stupid
Nope. It's nothing other than what Jesus says.
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So which Scripture is he misinterpreting?
You interjected the statement about scripture so I was just asking what specific scripture do you think Coach Brown is misinterpreting? The Bible is consistent in its view on homsexuality (it is sexual perversion). You may disagree but it is not helpful to skew its meaning.
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And no he didn't just "react" to something. He actively testified at a hearing. He went out of his way to try to impose his sexual issues on others.
So did he initiate the hearing or did he respond to what others initiated (I don't know the whole story but as I undertood the article it was others who did so).
Per statics, there every force has an equal and opposing force, so if Coach Brown is "imposing" his views, isn't it the case that someone eles is also imposing their views?
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what if he put a jihad on all Christians
Why is this even being asked? Jihad is an Islamic concept and totally foreign to Biblical Christianity that Coach Brown confesses.
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LSUZombie
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I find him to be a coward and homophobe. In my eyes
How could it be otherwise?
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JohnnyU
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The Bible was written over 2000 years ago when there was no understanding of human sexuality.
It was written much longer ago than that by Someone with perfect understanding of human sexuality and He "made them male and female."
Jesus died so that people like me could be forgiven by Him. Echoing God's view isn't hateful. It's just what we need to hear so we can repent.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 9:04 pm to AlwysATgr
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The Bible was written over 2000 years ago when there was no understanding of human sexuality.
the bible was written to enforce human authority over other humans. its not from God. there is no such thing as God, in heaven, on a mountain, or any "where".
therefore, using the bible to persecute other humans like the guy in Nebraska, is not God's work, but men enforcing the taboos of their authority figures.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 9:07 pm to AlwysATgr
if the bible is written by God why does his character change throughout? why are there so many contradictions?
do you consider women to be equal to men? the bible doesn't
do you consider women to be equal to men? the bible doesn't
This post was edited on 4/27/12 at 9:09 pm
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