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re: Nebraska assistant football coach really really really does not like gay people
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:34 pm to genro
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:34 pm to genro
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I think we can start worrying about that issue when we can show cases of being being fired or beaten up for liking the wrong color
Man fired for wearing Green Bay Packers tie
14 employees fired for wearing orange
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“People also assume they have some right to be treated decently, and fairly, and respectfully at the workplace. They have the right to freedom from discrimination based on certain immutable characteristics like sex, race and age, but as long as treatment at work isn’t related to one of those characteristics you can be treated badly with no legal recourse. It’s kind of a free-for-all.”
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:36 pm to molsusports
Exactly. Homosexuality is not an immutable characteristic like sex, race, or age. Thank you for proving my point.
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:37 pm to WDE24
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So then you agree this coach shouldn't be fired for voicing his personal opinion that is informed by his religious beliefs on a political hot button issue.
It would be similar to firing someone for openly supporting pro-life legislation.
1) I don't think he will be fired
2) But if they did fire him they could probably justify it IMO
I don't think you could ever fire him for having a personal opinion even if it was extremely sexist or racist provided he never brought it into the workplace. But if he did (as he apparently did by commenting upon this) then the university has a right to protect themselves from the PR mess he brought upon them
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:38 pm to genro
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Exactly. Homosexuality is not an immutable characteristic like sex, race, or age.
of course it is - unless you contend you weighed the options of being gay or straight and then decided.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:39 pm to Sophandros
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So being treated equally is now "special consideration"? Not being considered a second class citizen is "special consideration"?
Really?
well, to be fair, when you start carving out certain groups who become "protected" classes, you are creating a system of those who gain special consideration and those who don't
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:40 pm to molsusports
I never weighed the options of being gay or straight. I was just straight. But I also never weighed the options of being a Bama fan or an Auburn fan. I was just a Bama fan. That doesn't prove anything.
The guy likes his Green Bay Packers tie and gays like other dudes. How is it any different? Both based on nurture and environment. If your boss doesn't like the Packers, he can fire you. If your boss doesn't like gays, he can fire you.
The guy likes his Green Bay Packers tie and gays like other dudes. How is it any different? Both based on nurture and environment. If your boss doesn't like the Packers, he can fire you. If your boss doesn't like gays, he can fire you.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:40 pm to molsusports
quote:What a bi-sexuals or those that experiment? What about those born one sex and choose another? They claim it isn't a choice either, but it obviously is on some level.
of course it is - unless you contend you weighed the options of being gay or straight and then decided.
It certainly is a much greyer area than sex, race or age.
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:43 pm to molsusports
quote:I don't think commenting on it "brings it into the work place." However, to play devil's advocate, what if he had spoken in favor of this legislation and then the university suffered some pr backlash in the very conservative back yard. Would they also be able to justify that termination?
But if he did (as he apparently did by commenting upon this) then the university has a right to protect themselves from the PR mess he brought upon them
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:44 pm to WDE24
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What a bi-sexuals or those that experiment? What about those born one sex and choose another?
they aren't gay and don't address whatever is going on with people who are only attracted to people of the same sex
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It certainly is a much greyer area than sex, race or age.
race is a pretty gray area - most of our concepts of it are pretty wrong
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:48 pm to molsusports
quote:So being attracted to someone of the same sex isn't gay, but only being attracted to someone of the same sex is gay. How do we properly classify gay people then? Or can we?
they aren't gay and don't address whatever is going on with people who are only attracted to people of the same sex
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:49 pm to WDE24
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I don't think commenting on it "brings it into the work place." However, to play devil's advocate, what if he had spoken in favor of this legislation and then the university suffered some pr backlash in the very conservative back yard. Would they also be able to justify that termination?
I don't know enough about how the contracts are written to answer that. My impression is that a morality clause or some-such would give you an out if a coach were to publicly embarrass the university by saying sexist or racist stuff (and presumably anti gay or anti religious)
What would the grounds for termination be if he said things that were against discrimination?
And FWIW football people are generally allowed to say things that are sexist or anti gay without consequence - certainly Tony Dungy has been treated with kid gloves in spite of making his feelings clear
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:51 pm to WDE24
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So being attracted to someone of the same sex isn't gay, but only being attracted to someone of the same sex is gay. How do we properly classify gay people then? Or can we?
good question
my definition would be you are straight if you are only sexually attracted to people of the opposite sex and you are gay if you are only attracted to people of the same sex.
bisexual would be attracted sexually to people of either sex
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:52 pm to M Le Rip
So he would be okay with a Christocarcy. Interesting, Christians aren't very different than Muslims, with regards to those who want to force their ideals on others. Why do Christians care about what someone else is doing in their private lives? They will answer to God for it anyway. If it's illegal they'll face the time for that too. If he was so worried about who is getting married based on the Scriptures, why hasn't he applied them to the US divorce rate. Bigotry at it's finest. Not surprised.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:55 pm to molsusports
How do you classify David Bowie? Used to have sex with other men, but now says he regrets it and it was just the drugs and he was never attracted to men and he's not gay.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:58 pm to genro
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How do you classify David Bowie?
Gay.
:just a joke:
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 3:59 pm to HT713
If being "gay" is normal in 2012, why cant a woman get a woman pregnant or man get a man pregnant???
Posted on 4/26/12 at 4:01 pm to genro
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How do you classify David Bowie? Used to have sex with other men, but now says he regrets it and it was just the drugs and he was never attracted to men and he's not gay.
I really don't know anything about that dude's sex life
it sounds like by action he was bisexual but if he's being honest about not being attracted to men then i guess he's just more experimental than most of us are... so I guess he's straight if he's being honest
Posted on 4/26/12 at 4:02 pm to molsusports
I think it raises/highlights the question of whether we can or should be classified by sexual preference at all.
This post was edited on 4/26/12 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 4/26/12 at 4:04 pm to WDE24
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I think it raises/highlights the question of whether we can or should be classified by sexual preference at all.
I doubt you really mean that - I imagine you consider the difference between declaring yourself straight, bisexual, or gay to be significant
Posted on 4/26/12 at 4:07 pm to molsusports
quote:I do. Labels are so rigid and often rarely reflect the full truth. I try to avoid them when possible.
I doubt you really mean that
quote:Not really. What is the significance?
I imagine you consider the difference between declaring yourself straight, bisexual, or gay to be significant
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