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re: My Non-travel ball playing nephew just made the HS baseball team
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:21 am to hendersonshands
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:21 am to hendersonshands
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Guaranteed games is the worst part of the "entitlement culture" that people love to bitch about, not the trophies at the end of the year.
Que?
I'm no travel ball fan, but what is wrong with guaranteed games? Who is going to send a team to Orlando to play two games and go home?
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:22 am to hendersonshands
quote:Mainly because travel ball has become so watered down the competition is much like what they would find at their local parks. You still have teams that require tryouts and only select the best but many travel ball teams is just a coach who found a few parents willing to pay out the arse so their kids can have a custom jersey.
Well it is a knock on travel ball because parents are paying thousands of dollars for their kids to get the best instruction, rather than $50 at their local park, and they're not really getting that.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:22 am to Rouge
quote:If he is a stud, as in 1st round pick, he will get 60% athletic and they will find the other 40% from various scholarships if needed. Trust me
not getting a full ride for baseball
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:24 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
quote:I love baseball and always will, but I see what you mean. I wish I had been into golf a lot more as a kid. I'm getting my little one into it and she's 6. But, just to expose her to the game and being on the course. I'm not expecting contracts before she's 15.
I'll never understand why dipshits have their kids playing/obsessing over baseball when Golf exists
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 11:24 am
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:25 am to hendersonshands
quote:First off, not all travel ball teams pay the coaches. Secondly, they aren't getting instruction at their local playground either, so at best it's a wash and parents are simply wasting their money if they are paying a coach.
Well it is a knock on travel ball because parents are paying thousands of dollars for their kids to get the best instruction, rather than $50 at their local park, and they're not really getting that. I don't think travel ball is necessarily a bad thing, I played select soccer, I do agree that the games need to be cut down and practices need to be ramped up. His point was that as a coach your job is to teach accountability and responsibility above other things. When you go to a tournament at Disney and you're guaranteed 6 games and a trip to a theme park, you're not really getting that. Guaranteed games is the worst part of the "entitlement culture" that people love to bitch about, not the trophies at the end of the year.
My brother played travel ball all around and never got trips to a theme park. They had a minimum number of games that you play in the tournament, but that's just so that it's worth your while to travel several hours to play in the tournament. You are guaranteed games, you aren't guaranteed a trophy.
I fail to see how guaranteed games has anything at all to do with entitlement culture...
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 11:27 am
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:26 am to Rouge
True. But coupled with his academics he will.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:26 am to slackster
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I'm no travel ball fan, but what is wrong with guaranteed games? Who is going to send a team to Orlando to play two games and go home?
If you're going to a tournament and you're guaranteed playing 6 games, the kids are less likely to be pissed off if they lose their first two. His larger point was that if they're being guaranteed all these games, you get fewer kids who will chew off their own arms to win and more college coaches bitching about how their players are all entitled wimps and they have no leaders.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:28 am to hendersonshands
quote:Okay, well this is one giant crock of bullshite.
If you're going to a tournament and you're guaranteed playing 6 games, the kids are less likely to be pissed off if they lose their first two. His larger point was that if they're being guaranteed all these games, you get fewer kids who will chew off their own arms to win and more college coaches bitching about how their players are all entitled wimps and they have no leaders.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:28 am to Jim Rockford
Sounds like he has next level talent
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 11:29 am
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:28 am to Jim Rockford
HS coach will probably advise him to play travel ball now.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:29 am to tduecen
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Mainly because travel ball has become so watered down the competition is much like what they would find at their local parks. You still have teams that require tryouts and only select the best but many travel ball teams is just a coach who found a few parents willing to pay out the arse so their kids can have a custom jersey.
There are huge travel programs here in the St Louis metro. They all have like 4 teams in each age group, until the high school teams. Those require tryouts. So they soak the parents for as long as they can before culling out the terrible ones.
It's a pretty big racket.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:29 am to hendersonshands
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I do agree that the games need to be cut down and practices need to be ramped up.
Not really the case with baseball.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:29 am to hendersonshands
quote:
If you're going to a tournament and you're guaranteed playing 6 games, the kids are less likely to be pissed off if they lose their first two. His larger point was that if they're being guaranteed all these games, you get fewer kids who will chew off their own arms to win and more college coaches bitching about how their players are all entitled wimps and they have no leaders.
Rec league has a scheduled amount of games. Is that leading to entitlement culture?
Should we move to getting rid of schedules and go with single elimination tournaments? If you lose, you can no longer play baseball for the rest of your life
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 11:31 am
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:29 am to lsupride87
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If he is a stud, as in 1st round pick, he will get 60% athletic and they will find the other 40% from various scholarships if needed. Trust me
Yeah but to say he is getting a full-ride for baseball is disingenuous. I played with a guy who got 90% and that is, by far, the most I've ever heard for a single player.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:30 am to tduecen
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Mainly because travel ball has become so watered down the competition is much like what they would find at their local parks.
LOL, not even remotely close.
I hate travel ball, but there is a night and day difference in the competition. There just is.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:31 am to cas4t
The HS coach will require him to play on the HS summer travel team more than likely.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:32 am to ProjectP2294
They now have different levels of travel ball teams, around here they are called elite, pro, and rookie, and something else. Basically, the elite teams are the ones that are hard to get on and cost the most. However, even the ones that require no tryouts are fairly expensive. I want to say one of the ones a friend has his kid in cost 600 and that covered the cost of the bat, uniform, personalized bag, and shoes.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:33 am to PrimeTime Money
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I fail to see how guaranteed games have anything at all to do with entitlement culture...
Well then you're purposely missing the point in order to protect something you think I'm personally attacking.
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First off, not all travel ball teams pay the coaches. Secondly, they aren't getting instruction at their local playground either, so at best it's a wash and parents are simply wasting their money if they are paying a coach.
It wasn't always that way. Rec leagues 10-20 years ago were actually full of good players and coaches. Now you have every Tom, Dick, and Harry starting up travel ball teams and no one's left at local parks. Most parents are being told that their little Johnny can never play high school or college ball if they don't join these select programs and the problem is that they're not getting anything of worth from the travel ball. They're just paying money to join teams and paying money to go to tournaments, all the while their son isn't getting any coaching.
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My brother played travel ball all around and never got trips to a theme park. They had a minimum number of games that you play in the tournament, but that's just so that it's worth your while to travel several hours to play in the tournament. You are guaranteed games, you aren't guaranteed a trophy.
But there's really not much of point to traveling every weekend and "getting their money's worth." A lot of those weekends can be spent in the batting cages, fielding ground balls, chasing down balls in the outfield and not having 12 or 13 year olds pitch 100 innings a year.
You can disagree with me all you want, I don't have a kid playing travel or rec ball, doesn't matter to me. However, when a guy who's been coaching for 30 years absolutely hates travel ball, I think there's probably something to that.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:33 am to ProjectP2294
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It's a pretty big racket.
For the kids that suck, you're 90% correct.
Travel ball has all kinds of problems, but the one thing that it does well, at least if you let it, is separate the talent within an age group. If little Billy is going to be a stud, and I'm his rec league coach, I can either focus on developing Billy or teaching Johnny to stop standing on home plate when he goes up to bat, but I can't do both. Johnny needs coaching at his piss-poor level and Billy needs coaching at his elite level. Theoretically travel ball should provide both with that opportunity, but often times you've got kids with parents who think they're Billy when in fact they're Johnny, so instead of accepting that role they just start a new team and the process repeats itself.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:33 am to PortCityTiger24
quote:Actually it is very close, look at the travel ball teams. They have different levels now and for many of those levels the kids would be better off playing at their local parks. We are not talking the elite teams like what Ryan Theriot and Ben Sheets coach.
LOL, not even remotely close.
I hate travel ball, but there is a night and day difference in the competition. There just is.
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