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re: Most tainted sports record of all time?
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:47 am to trackfan
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:47 am to trackfan
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But MLB had no drug enforcement program when Bonds was doing steroids. You can't brake a rule that doesn't exist.
Who cares about rule breaking? Rules are made up by man to appease our expectations.
Our human nature doesn't want the greatest record for a sports performance to be enhanced by artificial means. Whether baseball failed to sanction that is irrelevant.
This post was edited on 11/12/11 at 11:48 am
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Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:49 am to Bestbank Tiger
I guess the fact that players in 50-80's were taking amphetamine laced drinks before games isn't a PED I hate how people just forget that and blame Bonds for all of MLB wrongdoings.
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:50 am to Rex
His name in general will always be tainted with being part of the biggest sports scandal ever. Barry Bonds is hair on a dogs arse compared this.
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:50 am to superloser
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He reported it. He did what he was supposed to do. The higher ups fumbled this situation. And, he didn't witness anything, he reported what had been reported to him. So, I don't see him as one who "sacrificed children for the sake of personal glory".
You really don't understand this story at all do you?
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:52 am to Bestbank Tiger
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There was still a rule against illegal drug use, so Bonds* was a cheater. There just wasn't a testing program to catch him.
But baseball players have used amphetamines, an illegal drug controled by the FDA, since the days of Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle. Practically everybody took them like they were taking Tic-Tacs. And when MLB put in its drug testing program in 2003, they banned both amphetamines and steroids. So if Bomds' numbers are tainted, so are the numbers of Mays, Aaron, Mantle and Rose.
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:54 am to dukke v
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Oh PLEASE!!!! Bonds used something to help him. I don't care if there was NO rule. BONDS is a FRAUD./
That's the most nonsensical thing I've ever heard regarding steroids. Athletes use plenty of things to help them besides steroids. Should the all be banned too?
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:55 am to trackfan
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But baseball players have used amphetamines, an illegal drug controled by the FDA, since the days of Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle.
Not illegal in the 1950s and early 1960s when Mays, Mantle, and Aaron were in their primes. Steroids were illegal when Clemens*, Bonds*, and McGwire* were putting up their numbers.
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:56 am to sms151t
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I guess the fact that players in 50-80's were taking amphetamine laced drinks before games isn't a PED I hate how people just forget that and blame Bonds for all of MLB wrongdoings.
Exactly!
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:58 am to dukke v
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Oh PLEASE!!!! Bonds used something to help him. I don't care if there was NO rule. BONDS is a FRAUD.
Lifting weights helps, so if someone does that, they are a fraud?
Just taking steroids or HGH, does not magically make someone a good hitter. It does not in anyway improve hand eye coordination and getting bigger is a product of increased weight lifting.
This post was edited on 11/12/11 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 11/12/11 at 11:59 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Not illegal in the 1950s and early 1960s when Mays, Mantle, and Aaron were in their primes. Steroids were illegal when Clemens*, Bonds*, and McGwire* were putting up their numbers.
You're wrong. Amphetamines were an FDA-controled substance. It was a crime to take them without a doctor's prescription.
Posted on 11/12/11 at 12:02 pm to Zamoro10
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Our human nature doesn't want the greatest record for a sports performance to be enhanced by artificial means
our human nature also makes us irrationally angry at things we do not understand. People aren't outraged by Gaylord Perry, he was enhancing his pitches with artifical means.
Posted on 11/12/11 at 12:04 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Lifting weights helps, so if someone does that, they are a fraud?
Not only does lifting weight help, so does creatine.
Posted on 11/12/11 at 12:07 pm to trackfan
This is a terrible terrible thread.
Posted on 11/12/11 at 12:10 pm to trackfan
Bonds is bad but he damaged himself and tarnished the record.
Joe Pa, potentially allowed kids to be molested for at least an additional 13 years.
We may never know how long he has known about Sandy's sickness. It could stretch back decades.
Joe Pa potentially allowed hundreds of lives to be ruined by sex abuse so I think it is far worse.
And yes, we are assuming a lot, but it sure looks clear that he was told in 2002 and did not do much and it is a huge stretch to believe his #1 assistant was investigated without his knowledge in 98. So at minimum, he enabled the guy to go on for 13 years raping kids.
I know the guy did a lot for Penn State. I know he donated tons of money and was never concerned about bickering over a higher salary but he failed every kid that was molested from 98 on and we will never know if he could have stopped this in the 70s, 80s or earlier.
Joe Pa, potentially allowed kids to be molested for at least an additional 13 years.
We may never know how long he has known about Sandy's sickness. It could stretch back decades.
Joe Pa potentially allowed hundreds of lives to be ruined by sex abuse so I think it is far worse.
And yes, we are assuming a lot, but it sure looks clear that he was told in 2002 and did not do much and it is a huge stretch to believe his #1 assistant was investigated without his knowledge in 98. So at minimum, he enabled the guy to go on for 13 years raping kids.
I know the guy did a lot for Penn State. I know he donated tons of money and was never concerned about bickering over a higher salary but he failed every kid that was molested from 98 on and we will never know if he could have stopped this in the 70s, 80s or earlier.
Posted on 11/12/11 at 12:31 pm to trackfan
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Athletes use plenty of things to help them besides steroids.
Yep.
People forget that Steroid use was readily accessible and just as prevalent 40 to 50 years ago, From the olympic (amateur level) to pro sports to bodybuilding. These designer roids that became known to the public in the last ten years were first synthesized in the mid 1960's.
Posted on 11/12/11 at 12:37 pm to tiger2012
quote:We don't forget. Most never knew.
People forget that Steroid use was readily accessible
I get sick of hearing the rules weren't there until 2003. That is not true. Performance enhancing drugs have been outlawed forever, but the union was able to keep testing OUT of the collective bargaining agreement until Congress started snooping around and forced the issue to be tackled.
Just because it wasn't tested doesn't mean it wasn't cheating. And yes, plenty of the old school heroes used drugs and weren't caught.
The problem with Bonds and the new era cheaters is the drugs worked better with the new era conditioning and so skinny bond blew up into giants so it was more noticeable.
Posted on 11/12/11 at 12:40 pm to TigerMyth36
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, but it sure looks clear that he was told in 2002 and did not do much and it is a huge stretch to believe his #1 assistant was investigated without his knowledge in 98. So at minimum, he enabled the guy to go on for 13 years raping kids.
well, Sandusky wasn't coaching there after 99, so how did that help enhance the record? It looks like they maybe waited a couple of weeks to make the arrests so he could get the record, which would be deplorable, but didn't help the record.
Posted on 11/12/11 at 12:43 pm to superloser
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He reported it. He did what he was supposed to do. The higher ups fumbled this situation. And, he didn't witness anything, he reported what had been reported to him. So, I don't see him as one who "sacrificed children for the sake of personal glory".
He had no higher ups. Joe Paterno ran that damn school. The board went to his house to ask him to resign in the early 2000s and he told them no and kicked them out. He obviously knew the power he had becaues in his statement saying hed retire after the season he tried to command the board on what to do and told them to not discuss his situation.
Posted on 11/12/11 at 12:48 pm to Adam Banks
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He had no higher ups.
functionally maybe, but there was an AD and a University President, they have more authority than the FB Coach.
Posted on 11/12/11 at 12:49 pm to Rex
This entire thread is a troll but:
Theres is no defense for Paternos non-action on this situation...NONE. That being said, this has nothing to do with his wins record, nothing.
Theres is no defense for Paternos non-action on this situation...NONE. That being said, this has nothing to do with his wins record, nothing.
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