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re: MMA Retards
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:27 pm to LSUgrasshopper
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:27 pm to LSUgrasshopper
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The first show was very successful by most accounts
i thought it was a fail?
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Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:28 pm to coullion
quote:all dressed in clothing trying to act like they are fighters themselves... everybody trying to look "hard". a bunch of posers.
The 32851750984 people that will walk into the bar saturday night right before GSP's fight and then walk out again as soon as it's over and they start replaying the underc
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:29 pm to el tigre
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didn't Dana White say it was Bruce Lee, or something like that?
Yeah it was kind of ghey but something like that. Bruce Lee was one of the first martial artist who actively promoted cross training accross disciplines. He trained in western boxing, wrestling, etc.
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or if it's even really possible to pinpoint. I didn't start watching until about 1992-1993 when Royce beat Ken Shamrock and the skinny french dude. I never really paid attention to the organizers, or who was doing it before them.
The UFC was started in the early 90's by Rorion Gracie and a few business partners.
Now if you ask how did mma fight that is much more subjective, but most agree it lies in Vale Tudo fights in Brazil which have been going on for 70-80 years.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:32 pm to Cash
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Now if you ask how did mma fight that is much more subjective, but most agree it lies in Vale Tudo fights in Brazil which have been going on for 70-80 years.
right, that's what i thought the original post said...Couture started "MMA". I've seen it traced back to pankration. but hell, wouldn't the first ever unarmed fight/battle/conflict in the history of the world be the advent of MMA? it just gets silly trying to pinpoint MMA's origin.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:32 pm to LSUgrasshopper
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affliction said before the first show that backed with Trumps money ect
I'm sure they did, but they have lost their arse on the first two shows add in the current credit crunch and things change.
Trump's involvement doesn't mean alot to me. He didn't get where he is now by losing money and will not throw good money after bad.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:33 pm to el tigre
If from what little I know of the history, If I'm picking one guy that started modern MMA, I'm going with Gracie. Davie had the money and headed UFC 1, but got his inspiration for Gracie. Also Davie had the idea for the tournament (original UFC) which isn't what we have now.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:33 pm to el tigre
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right, that's what i thought the original post said...Couture started "MMA".
shite, I thought it said Couture started the UFC.
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it just gets silly trying to pinpoint MMA's origin.
Agreed
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:35 pm to LSUgrasshopper
The orginal intent of UFC 1 was basically to be an informercial for Gracie JJ, at least Rorion's intent.
Little bit of trivia-
Which Gracie's were considered as the GJJ ringer to enter the tournament?
And why did they pick Royce?
Little bit of trivia-
Which Gracie's were considered as the GJJ ringer to enter the tournament?
And why did they pick Royce?
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:38 pm to Cash
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shite, I thought it said Couture started the UFC.
Considering the conversation, there's no telling if that's what he actually meant or not. Either way, his statement was way off.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:38 pm to Cash
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they have lost their arse on the first two shows
I think they did well on the first show. More than expected ppv buys, affliction got loads of bang for the buck in marketing their crappy t-shirts. Hell, megadeath probably sold a cd or two
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:41 pm to Cash
Vale Tudo seems to be where the modern form of MMA gets its start.
Brazil has really been a head of the curve for a long time. They have long used Muay Thai, Boxing, traditional jiu-jitsu, BJJ, and wrestling to incorporate its fighting styles. Marco Ruas was really a head of his time as a well rounded fighter.
Brazil has really been a head of the curve for a long time. They have long used Muay Thai, Boxing, traditional jiu-jitsu, BJJ, and wrestling to incorporate its fighting styles. Marco Ruas was really a head of his time as a well rounded fighter.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:48 pm to Cash
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Now if you ask how did mma fight that is much more subjective, but most agree it lies in Vale Tudo fights in Brazil which have been going on for 70-80 years.
Some say that the early days of the UFC was just an imformercial for Gracie JJ. People make that first fight with Shamrock out to be more than what it was. Shamrock had no clue how to defend BJJ at that time. And you still have a hard time calling the early UFC years as MMA. Most of the fighters weren't crossed trained. It was more No Holds Barred than Mixed Martial Arts. Saying Randy Coutre started MMA isn't all that far fetched. No, he didn't invent MMA. But he was one of the very first to cross train wrestling with boxing.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:54 pm to Cash
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Which Gracie's were considered as the GJJ ringer to enter the tournament?
And why did they pick Royce?
Rickson
they pick Royce because he was smaller.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:58 pm to trstiger
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Some say that the early days of the UFC was just an imformercial for Gracie
From Ririon's point yes. From Davie's point it was a marketing gimmick "Can a Boxer beat a black belt"
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Randy Coutre started MMA isn't all that far fetched
His first UFC was UFC 13... saying he started MMA is extremely far fetched.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 4:00 pm to LSUgrasshopper
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Which Gracie's were considered as the GJJ ringer to enter the tournament?
And why did they pick Royce?
Rickson
they pick Royce because he was smaller.
Royce wasn't picked as much because he was smaller, but because his build was impressive. Royce and Rickson weighed about the same but Rickson was kind of ripped. They wanted a scrawny guy to dominate all these huge guys.
They also considered Renzo Graice, but were afraid he was two small.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 4:01 pm to Cash
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They also considered Renzo Graice, but were afraid he was two small.
good stuff
Posted on 1/27/09 at 4:04 pm to LSUgrasshopper
At the time Renzo weighed about 140, but probably still could have beat everyone that tourney except maybe for Shammy.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 4:11 pm to trstiger
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Saying Randy Coutre started MMA isn't all that far fetched. No, he didn't invent MMA. But he was one of the very first to cross train wrestling with boxing.
Well.... yes and no. Randy for the most part was a dominant wrestler with good g'n'p. Much like Mark Kerr and Mark Coleman. It wasn't until a little later in his career when he started using "dirty boxing". Obviously now, he is a complete fighter in every aspect.
A few names that pop to my mind instantly are Guy Mezger, Marco Ruas, and Bas Rutten, they were all multi-talented in a different aspects of MMA.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 4:16 pm to Shoulderchoke
Being an innovator in MMA and starting MMA are two completely different worlds.
That's like saying Tiger Woods started golf because he was the first guy to really weight train.
That's like saying Tiger Woods started golf because he was the first guy to really weight train.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 4:20 pm to LSUgrasshopper
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Being an innovator in MMA and starting MMA are two completely different worlds.
We can all agree that Randy didn't invent MMA. But we all have to agree that he was a true pioneer of the sport. And he is one the very few that was able to cross over into the new era of MMA.
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