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re: MLB Offseason Thread: Hosmer to the Padres, Twins get a starter
Posted on 12/16/17 at 9:09 pm to JetsetNuggs
Posted on 12/16/17 at 9:09 pm to JetsetNuggs
Astros in for Chris Archer, would be a huge pick up with Verlander, Dallas, and McCullers already on the team
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Posted on 12/16/17 at 9:11 pm to tduecen
Link?
Posted on 12/16/17 at 9:17 pm to WestCoastAg
Oh just a report saying they have inquired, just saying that would be a nasty rotation with that offense if they are able to pull it off. Not sure the type of players the Astros would have to give up since I am not familiar with their farm system.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 9:42 pm to tduecen
Mehh. Don't think I'd want, considering the prospect cost. Don't get me wrong, he's good and an obvious upgrade to a rotation. He'll give you 200 innings and 200K.
But he hasn't had a great season. Just some pretty good ones and the last 2 years some fairly pedestrian numbers. The results aren't matching his stuff. His FIP says the ERA should be lower but that's still a mid 3s. Is that worth the multiple top prospects the Rays would want? The strikeouts wouldn't be the same but can Colin McHugh ultimately produce the same kind of bottom line? 180-200 innings and a 3.50 to 4.00 ERA. He has before.
But he hasn't had a great season. Just some pretty good ones and the last 2 years some fairly pedestrian numbers. The results aren't matching his stuff. His FIP says the ERA should be lower but that's still a mid 3s. Is that worth the multiple top prospects the Rays would want? The strikeouts wouldn't be the same but can Colin McHugh ultimately produce the same kind of bottom line? 180-200 innings and a 3.50 to 4.00 ERA. He has before.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 9:46 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Put him on a better team next to players such as Verlander and I bet his numbers improve a lot, at least to where he was 2 years ago.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 9:58 pm to tduecen
Maybe. And if we're talking about a playoff setting, give me the guy with the stuff to dominate a game.
My thinking on trades is that the Astros prospect depth is a finite resource. Now that the team is having success at the top the quality of draft selection is going to decline. Be it to a lower draft position or losing picks to the compensation round due to free agent signings. Trade away too many and you lose potential replacements that could address player attrition. That was the post-2005 Astros. Depleted the farm and ended up with a bunch of highly paid old guys that had to be traded for a rebuild.
My thinking on trades is that the Astros prospect depth is a finite resource. Now that the team is having success at the top the quality of draft selection is going to decline. Be it to a lower draft position or losing picks to the compensation round due to free agent signings. Trade away too many and you lose potential replacements that could address player attrition. That was the post-2005 Astros. Depleted the farm and ended up with a bunch of highly paid old guys that had to be traded for a rebuild.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 3:55 pm to WestCoastAg
So some random blog I was reading threw out a Chance Adams, Clint Frazier, Miguel Andjur, Jacoby Ellsbury for Manny Machado trade.....
Now first of all I don't see a team taking Ellbury contract unless the Yankees eat 75% of it, second I don't see the O's trading in the division, and third no way the Yankees give up 3 players who should see the majors next year.
Now first of all I don't see a team taking Ellbury contract unless the Yankees eat 75% of it, second I don't see the O's trading in the division, and third no way the Yankees give up 3 players who should see the majors next year.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:17 am to tduecen
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@JimBowdenGM: 8 teams have made trade offers to the Orioles for Manny Machado but sources doubt that ownership will approve a trade even if recommended by GM Dan Duquette
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:21 am to UltimateHog
Archer is going to cost A LOT
He has a nice, team friendly deal.
He has a nice, team friendly deal.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:26 am to tduecen
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Chance Adams, Clint Frazier, Miguel Andjur, Jacoby Ellsbury for Manny Machado trade
This is the type of shite that got the Yankees in the hole a few years ago. Trade half the farm for a player who you can get as a FA a year later. Hopefully they’ve smartened up and just wait for next years huge FA class instead of trading everyone away. Those rookie contracts will be huge when they’re paying $30M a year for multiple players.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:35 am to UltimateHog
quote:lol
but sources doubt that ownership will approve a trade even if recommended by GM Dan Duquette
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:42 am to WestCoastAg
owner knows he will leave as a UFA after being traded, and sign with the yankees. And that is their worst nightmare.
Or, deal to yankees at deadline, if team falls out of race, or is spinning its wheels
Or, deal to yankees at deadline, if team falls out of race, or is spinning its wheels
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:42 am to Lsuhoohoo
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My thinking on trades is that the Astros prospect depth is a finite resource. Now that the team is having success at the top the quality of draft selection is going to decline.
Maybe. And that would be true for most teams. But the Astros have the best evaluating/drafting/development program in the game.
Consider:
1)Completely squandered 1 first round draft choice; and lost another, although they got it back the next year.
2)Traded a ton of prospects for Gattis, Giles and Carlos Gomez
3)Cut JD Martinez
Despite this, they still have an excellent farm. That's what a pipeline does for a team.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:49 am to Lsuhoohoo
I wouldn't mind the Astros pursuing Archer even if it meant trading part of the system. The championship window is small, we watched the Royals and Giants vanish. Astros aren't going to be able to pay everyone (like the above) and they can keep this core together for 3 more years, depending on how/who they choose to resign and grab in free agency. Make moves for players that will help them win now without getting locked into contracts that can't be traded or won't come off the books at the end of this window. The fans will forgive the complete rebuild in 7 years if they snag another championship (dare I say two)
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 11:50 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:51 am to Overbrook
quote:there are a bunch of organizations that can claim this
. But the Astros have the best evaluating/drafting/development program in the game.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:51 am to SeeeeK
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He has a nice, team friendly deal.
yup.
Signed through 2021 and makes no more than 8.25 mil in a season. Not a risk either considering he's only 29. I'd think he'd be able to be effective over the course of that entire deal.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:57 am to McCaigBro69
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there are a bunch of organizations that can claim this
And a few of those teams didn't have to tank to get their farm systems near the top
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:57 am to Overbrook
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best evaluating/drafting
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Completely squandered 1 first round draft choice; and lost another
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Cut JD Martinez
You picked the two most ridiculous examples to back up your argument that you possibly could have.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:58 am to 1ranter1
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:58 am to Overbrook
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JD Martinez
To be honest, that second half was once in a career. I know he has played well the past couple years but even Brady Anderson had a period where he was raking at the plate. I'll eat my words if he continues to put up .300 and 20+ home runs
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