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re: MLB Offseason Thread: Hosmer to the Padres, Twins get a starter
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:30 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:30 pm to WestCoastAg
SLG yeah is pretty heavy to Judge, the other ones are all close.
And neither one are winning or losing the MVP due to defense, so you might as well throw that out entirely.
And neither one are winning or losing the MVP due to defense, so you might as well throw that out entirely.
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:31 pm to LSUBoo
quote:his overall offensive performance numbers like wRC+ are not close
the other ones are all close.
quote:or not
so you might as well throw that out entirely.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:36 pm to WestCoastAg
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his overall offensive performance numbers like wRC+ are not close
Those numbers aren't far off from one to the other. Less than 10% variance from Altuve's 159 to Judge's 172. That's pretty close, a lot closer than most of the stats.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:39 pm to WestCoastAg
I don’t think wRC+ adjusts for position just park and league. I dunno what the difference was between corner OF and 2B but getting elite production from 2B is different than corner OF. That brings those numbers closer together
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:39 pm to LSUBoo
quote:as long as we are saying thats pretty close, we can also say that nelson cruz and jose ramirez were pretty close to altuve. or that logan morrison was pretty close to marwin gonzalez
That's pretty close
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:40 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:i can accept that. but that changes the argument from whats close to, whats more valuable. which is a fair argument for altuve
. I dunno what the difference was between corner OF and 2B but getting elite production from 2B is different than corner OF.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:43 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
we can also say that nelson cruz and jose ramirez were pretty close to altuve.
Both of those guys had great seasons and will be getting MVP votes.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:44 pm to LSUBoo
and what do you think the reaction would be if i went into the DAT and told everyone that they were essentially a wash with altuve in total offensive production?
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:45 pm to WestCoastAg
No one ever said they were a wash.
Just saying that the simple two column chart doesn't take into account margins.
Just saying that the simple two column chart doesn't take into account margins.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:46 pm to LSUBoo
quote:you just said they were "pretty close" and they arent. you can argue whether altuves number at second base is more valuable than judges numbers in right field. but they are not close numbers
No one ever said they were a wash.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:50 pm to WestCoastAg
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you just said they were "pretty close" and they arent.
Except that yes, they are close.
When compared with the stats like BA, SLG, HR, BB, Hits, SB, which is what I was saying. Those numbers aren't close, some in favor of Altuve, others in favor of Judge.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:51 pm to LSUBoo
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:51 pm to WestCoastAg
I feel the same way.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 2:00 pm to WestCoastAg
Well altuve putting the ball in play won us game 2 against the Yankees and game 7 against the dodgers while Judge and the yankees k'd there way to a series loss. People discounting hits and not caring about Ks will continue to lose when it matters
Posted on 11/16/17 at 3:10 pm to BayouBengals03
When Judge slumped after the All Star Game, Altuve kept raking. He should win.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 4:11 pm to WestCoastAg
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The Mariners announced on Wednesday night that the club acquired infielder Ryon Healy from the Athletics in exchange for pitcher Emilio Pagan and infielder Alexander Campos.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 4:13 pm to Adam Banks
MVP was voted before the playoffs began so that is irrelevant
Posted on 11/16/17 at 4:53 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
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When Judge slumped after the All Star Game, Altuve kept raking. He should win.
Yep. Altuve was the same baseball player every single week since April. The fact that this could be close is silly.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 5:24 pm to ElroyJetSon
Stanton edges Votto by two points. Wow.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 5:36 pm to reddman
They are really milking these awards
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