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re: MLB has to adapt or the league is going to die
Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:45 pm to Allthatfades
Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:45 pm to Allthatfades
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It’s always been this way though. Baseball has never had a salary cap. It’s haves and have nots. The competitive balance today is actually better than it was years ago. The analytics is what has changed the game.
Yep. Branch Rickey first developed the farm system with the Cardinals to compete with the Cubs and the Northeastern teams at the time.
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:52 pm to Saunson69
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People don't watch the MLB to see good pitching (besides the die hards). People watch the MLB to see base hits, doubles, and ultimately home runs.
Not a die hard, only watch the post-season and mostly watch it for the pitching duels.
Post-season baseball is great when the pitching is great and runs are hard earned.
HRs went the way of excitement like the 3 pointer in basketball, whoopie....might as well stack racks of balls behind the arc and call a game, a contest.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 5:01 pm to dukke v
2016 WS was the last to galvanize the country.
I heard more baseball talk among those who didn't know a lick about it than I had in decades.
I heard more baseball talk among those who didn't know a lick about it than I had in decades.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 12:14 am to Saunson69
Where are you getting your numbers?
Posted on 8/23/24 at 12:34 am to Metaloctopus
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People also used to visit each other, and now all most do is text and tweet.
People still visit; what the hell are you talking about? Just because you're lonely, angry, and bitter doesn't mean the rest of the world is.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 2:07 am to PowerTool
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People still visit; what the hell are you talking about? Just because you're lonely, angry, and bitter doesn't mean the rest of the world is.
What world are you living in? It is a well known fact that people engage in person FAR less than they used to, just as it is well documented that the age of instant access has brought about the shortest attention spans we've ever seen.
This isn't coming from a place of anger, or bitterness, or loneliness in me. This comes from paying attention to the world around me. You apparently thought that me saying people don't visit each other anymore was meant in an absolute literal sense. That, or you are being intentionally obtuse about what I said. It should have been obvious that what I said was meant to be taken in the general sense. Kind of like how this discussion is about viewership being down in baseball, despite the fact that millions still watch it. "Millions" is a lot, but all things being relative, the numbers are clearly down from where they used to be.
And, by the way, if you're paying attention, how do you come to the conclusion that the world isn't angry, bitter and lonely (overall)? You accuse me of being something that you claim the world isn't, and yet you seem to have it backwards.
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Posted on 8/23/24 at 2:19 am to InkStainedWretch
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The old fart in me … I am in my mid 60s … wants to agree with you, but the realist in me will point out that the average age of baseball viewers on TV, and eyes on TV are much more important than asses in seats in all sports these days, is 57. Focusing on that demographic is not sustainable for the sport’s future because it will die with them. There’s nothing wrong with making changes to meet the world where it’s at in 2024. It’s just got to be the RIGHT changes.
Well I'm in my late 30's, and I don't find it difficult to enjoy the things that older generations did/do. But that's because I wasn't raised to expect the world to change for me, and I learned how to appreciate things for what they were intended to be. Baseball has made tons of changes to try to appease younger people, and yet all most of them do is complain. Because they don't like baseball, to begin with. You can't make people like it. The simple fact is that the world has changed so much, that peoples' expectations of how to be entertained have become unrealistic for baseball, as it's intended to be played, to appeal to this generation.
So you say it has to be the "right" changes. My friend, what would those be? Look how much they've already changed, and what good is it doing? What is the answer? I don't think there is one. This just isn't the sport for some people. If that means that baseball dies, then let it die with dignity. Alienating a bunch of fans, to try to bring in new one's who don't seem to care what the game changes about itself is just a sad way for it to go out, in my opinion.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 4:38 am to Saunson69
Is this our annual “MLB is dying” thread? 
Posted on 8/23/24 at 7:33 am to Prominentwon
Wish there were MLB games starting at noon today. None til past 5pm.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 10:00 am to Saunson69
Batters changed their approach. Hitting is about launch angle. Strike out or home run.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 11:03 am to Metaloctopus
I like the pitch clock. Everyone farting around did more to disrupt the traditional flow of the game than that. I like doing away with the crazy shifts; I had mixed emotions about that at first but it had gotten out of hand.
The thing is, they have tweaked the rules when necessary for 150 years. Pitchers took over the damn game in 1968. So they lowered the mound to try to bring things back into equilibrium.
I’m sorry, letting the sport die because “this isn’t the sport for some people” is a non-starter.
The thing is, they have tweaked the rules when necessary for 150 years. Pitchers took over the damn game in 1968. So they lowered the mound to try to bring things back into equilibrium.
I’m sorry, letting the sport die because “this isn’t the sport for some people” is a non-starter.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 12:34 pm to Horsemeat
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Nobody is going to latch on with a good middle reliever that throws 14 pitches to three batters for 2 outs then gets pulled because the analytics boss upstairs doesn't like the spray chart for that pitcher against a right hand batter while in an outdoor stadium west of the Mississippi River when the humidity is over 80% after a full moon.
Oddly specific.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 12:43 pm to Saunson69
Viewership and attendance is up since the pitch clock went into effect. While pitching has gotten much better in the last 10-15 years, the problem isn’t about the game itself, it’s about too many hitters who prioritize power over contact
Posted on 8/23/24 at 1:15 pm to foosball
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Viewership and attendance is up since the pitch clock went into effect. While pitching has gotten much better in the last 10-15 years, the problem isn’t about the game itself, it’s about too many hitters who prioritize power over contact
People fuss about this like they think batters are doing this on their own … driven by analytics, teams WANT their batters doing this. They are telling batters to do this, teaching batters to do this.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 1:44 pm to InkStainedWretch
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People fuss about this like they think batters are doing this on their own … driven by analytics, teams WANT their batters doing this. They are telling batters to do this, teaching batters to do this.
I understand this but from a fans perspective the homerun/strikeout approach with fewer balls being put into play is bad for the sport
Posted on 8/23/24 at 1:53 pm to Saunson69
I do appreciate that MLB is willing to talk and recognize that there may be issues that need to be addressed. Just like with the idea of a six inning starter rule that was floated around.
MLB has repeatedly said they want more balls in play. I just don't know how to do that short of moving the wall back or something similarly drastic.
MLB has repeatedly said they want more balls in play. I just don't know how to do that short of moving the wall back or something similarly drastic.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 2:34 pm to Master of Sinanju
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Just like with the idea of a six inning starter rule that was floated around.
which is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 4:28 pm to InkStainedWretch
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I like the pitch clock. Everyone farting around did more to disrupt the traditional flow of the game than that. I like doing away with the crazy shifts; I had mixed emotions about that at first but it had gotten out of hand.
yeah, I think even those adamantly against it - like some of the players changed their tune fairly quickly. It was long overdue, the farting around as you say was rampant and completely unnecessary and everyone is better off for ending that.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 5:32 pm to InkStainedWretch
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teams WANT their batters doing this. They are telling batters to do this, teaching batters to do this.
Not only that, they’re signing guys to do that, and paying guys more that do that
Posted on 8/23/24 at 5:35 pm to chalmetteowl
The top paid guys have always been the mashers, most teams still only have a couple of those guys though in a 9 player lineup. You guys act like teams have 5 power hitters with 30+ HR's each.
The top 2 teams in the NL, the Dodgers have 1 guy with 30+ HR, and the Phillies have zero.
The top 2 teams in the NL, the Dodgers have 1 guy with 30+ HR, and the Phillies have zero.
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