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re: Mike Leach wants 64 team playoff in college football
Posted on 3/23/12 at 11:46 am to Baloo
Posted on 3/23/12 at 11:46 am to Baloo
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The BCS title game has had a non-conference champ playing in it three times. That's a design flaw at this point, not an outlier.
3 out of 28 teams in the BCS CG is not really a trend, however, the other 2: 01 NU and 03 OU would most likely not have been in if they were using the current BCS formula which gives more weight to the "human" polls. NU was #4 in the coaches poll and OU was #3.
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And while college basketball has a "devlaued" regular season, they have great regular season matchups because there is a smaller penalty for losing. I'd rather have a less valuable regular season with better games than a more valuable season littered with games against crappy teams.
That's reasonable. How many big OOC games do they still have in CBB? to be honest, I don't follow it as closely as I used too. I know there are lot early, like Dec and Nov. When I was at LSU, LSU at least used to play a lot In the 89-90 season we played Texas in Houston, Notre Dame in NOLA, UNLV and LMU at home, all in Jan and Feb. And we actually played more SEC games then since we played the other 9 teams home and home. I miss LSU BB
Anyway to the main point. I will defend the BCS and small playoffs because I like the Champ to be one of the teams that proved themselves over the regular season and don't like what someone on here, (I'm pretty sure it was you in fact) once termed accidential champs. Those have been more frequent lately in the NFL, could be due to parity, March Madness would be most prone to Accidential champs and has the best examples with Villaonava and NC State, but since unrnaked 6 seed Kansas won in 88, the lowest seed to win was a 4 and in the 23 tourney since 18 1 or 2 seeds have won.
As for the big OOC games, I don't think it changes regardless with 8-9 conference games and teams wanting 7-8 home games.
This post was edited on 3/23/12 at 11:48 am
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Posted on 3/23/12 at 11:47 am to volfan30
64 is ridiculous. I would be on board with an 8 team playoff though. Every conference champion plus the highest ranked 2 teams that are not conference champs or are in a Non BCS conference according to the BCS. Everyone else goes to their normal affiliated bowl games. Would take 7 total games that they could do at the 4 BCS sites. The site with the National championship only gets the one game all the others have 2.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 11:47 am to H-Town Tiger
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Putting them in an 8 team playoff just gives then a 2nd chance at teams that already beat them.
Hmmm....I seem to recall this happening a few months ago. Not sure I remember where....
Also, teams can play during the regular season, and still play in the conference title game. Teams playing more than once isn't always so bad.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 11:50 am to OweO
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Prairieview vs Oklahoma would only improve college football
PV is D IAA or FCS as its now called, why would they be playing OU?
Posted on 3/23/12 at 11:56 am to H-Town Tiger
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PV is D IAA or FCS as its now called, why would they be playing OU?
Why did LSU play Appalachian State a few years ago. Why did they play Northwestern St this past year?
Posted on 3/23/12 at 11:58 am to Baloo
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And, this obviously has crippled the NFL's popularity. No one watches the regular season at all anymore due to the random nature of the playoffs (I know you're not making this argument -- I'm just applying the anti-college basketball argument to football
That's a really stupid argument to begin from the anti CBB crowd. But by the same token, I don't think the absense of a playoff has hurt CFB either. Playoff ratings would probably be better than bowls and I'd guess an LSU-Bama rematch after both had won 2 or 3 PO games might have done better than it did under the current format.
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I'm for a playoff for a very simple reason -- it's more exciting
I was more neverous going into the 11/5 Bama game that before any game I can remember including the other 2 BCS CGs. With 20/20 hindsight it wasnt that important, but Bama did need help. If OSU makes a fricking 37 yd FG vs ISU, Bama is in the Sugar Bowl. That weekend if 11/18-19 was much more exciting because of the BCS (OSU-ISU, OU-USC, OU-BU) all had BCS implications. A shame that most people don't realize that.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 12:00 pm to F machine
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Why did LSU play Appalachian State a few years ago. Why did they play Northwestern St this past year?
for rent a wins, what does that have to do with a playoff? We would play those teams in a playoff. If you think having a playoff would eliminate games like that from the regular season, I'd like to talk to you about this bridge I have for sale in Brooklyn.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 12:07 pm to F machine
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Hmmm....I seem to recall this happening a few months ago. Not sure I remember where
see my above comment about outliers.
What happened in 2011 is very unlikely to happen again. I can't think of another time since the 70's that 2 teams from the same conference finished the regular season ranked #1 and #2. The more teams you put in a playoff, the more likely you are to get those types of rematches. The year Villanove beat G'Town, GT had already beaten them 3 times (same thing happened in womens Final Four last year with Baylor/A&M and UConn/ND.)
Posted on 3/23/12 at 12:23 pm to OweO
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Prairieview vs Oklahoma would only improve college football
How would it unimprove or devalue college football?
Posted on 3/23/12 at 12:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The more teams you put in a playoff, the more likely you are to get those types of rematches.
A rematch like that would be much different than a rematch like the one that happened this past year. This past year, it's jsut the way the chips fell, with some politicking and human voting.
If it happened after an 8 or 16 game playoff, both teams earned it. I don't think you'd see the public outcry against a rematch in a playoff case like you did with the BCS rematch.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 12:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I was more neverous going into the 11/5 Bama game that before any game I can remember including the other 2 BCS CGs. With 20/20 hindsight it wasnt that important, but Bama did need help. If OSU makes a fricking 37 yd FG vs ISU, Bama is in the Sugar Bowl. That weekend if 11/18-19 was much more exciting because of the BCS (OSU-ISU, OU-USC, OU-BU) all had BCS implications. A shame that most people don't realize that.
Which is why I prefer a playoff that only has conference champions. Win your conference or shut up. Same excitement heading into the Bama game, bigger payoff. And, it restores the value of conference titles, which has clearly been devlaued by the BCS. Bama fans argued successfully that we couldn't even consider conference championships. Which, to me, is an awful development.
And here is the conceptual break. If you view college football as one big league -- conference titles don't really matter. It's like the NFL, and no one cares who wins the AFC North. If you view college football, like I do, as a confederacy of indepedent conferences, then the argument that conference titles are largely irrelevant is horrifying. Win the SEC, then win the national title, by proving the SEC's dominance over everyone else.
If you view college football as one big league, then we are simply never going to agree. That is the sticking point.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 12:46 pm to Baloo
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Leach suggests dropping a regular season game, so a team would likely play no more than 15 games. LSU played 14 games last year. I fail to see a significant difference.
exactly. set up a legit tourney proportionately to basketball, and have it so the max amount of games played is 15. some teams already play 14 and many get basically a month off between them. you play 15 with a couple of weeks off strewn throughout, and you're money.
hell, i dont see why they couldnt have it like the epl and shite where weeks off are for the entire league. im sure there are reasons im not considering, but that doesnt seem that hard to do.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 1:42 pm to Pilot Tiger
I just read Swing your sword and must admit, it made me REALLY like the guy (hell I was already a Cougars fan) 64 is excessive, but I like the idea of 8. BCS conference champions, one non-BCS team and an at-large.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 1:53 pm to RayFinkleTTU
12-16 teams is perfect, I wouldn't want to go over that but its still a trillio times better than the half assed 4 or 8 team "playoff"
This post was edited on 3/23/12 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:07 pm to M Le Rip
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The regular season is currently devalued for 90% of all teams by mid-September (assuming that the goal is to win the title).
the great thing about CFB is that teams know their role and don't all believe they can win the national title
that's why the regular season matters. division/conference titles and bowl births matter to these programs
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:08 pm to Spoonie Luv
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LSU - Troy
LSU sucked in 2008 and we still won that game
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:10 pm to Baloo
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Which is why I prefer a playoff that only has conference champions
only works if all conferences are equal
frick the sun belt getting a team in when the SEC #2 can't go
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
An playoff system where college football is still the only sport in the known universe where its possible to win every game and not be the champion is a joke and no better than the BCS.
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:16 pm to VerlanderBEAST
you act as if there isn't a reason for that
CFB is the only american sport rational enough to admit the truth: not all undefeated seasons are equal
CFB is the only american sport rational enough to admit the truth: not all undefeated seasons are equal
Posted on 3/23/12 at 2:30 pm to volfan30
About time he came out of the shed and said something.
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