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Microchips for the NFL?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:17 pm
Chips in the ball
It will cause more problems than it solves, but it is an interesting concept.
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According to Reuters, a German chip company called Cairos Technologies is currently in talks with the NFL to bring its microchip technology to footballs.
The technology, which was originally designed for soccer balls, helps referees know when the ball has crossed a line. In soccer, the technology is used to help referees determine if a ball did, in fact, pass the goal line. In American football, Cairos Technologies' technology would have a similar function.
In an interview with Reuters, the company's sales director, Mario Hanus, said the chip could be especially useful for those times when a referee must determine if a ball crossed the first-down marker or goal line.
If the ball does, in fact, pass the first-down or goal line, an alert would be sent from the microchip to the referee's watch. The idea is to take the element of human error out of the equation.
It will cause more problems than it solves, but it is an interesting concept.
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Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:19 pm to arrakis
Good idea IMO.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:30 pm to arrakis
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It will cause more problems than it solves
How exactly ?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:32 pm to arrakis
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It will cause more problems than it solves
No it wont..after instant replay is installed..anything you can do to make sure the call is 100% is good.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:32 pm to arrakis
Where would you put it in the ball, and would you have multiple chips in each ball?
I think in soccer the entire ball has to go across the goal line to count, correct? In football all you have to do is get the nose of the ball (or a fraction of the side of the ball) across the line to get the 1st down or the TD - this is why you see the ref sometimes measure extremely close measurements by sticking a piece of paper between the ball and the yard stick.
I think in soccer the entire ball has to go across the goal line to count, correct? In football all you have to do is get the nose of the ball (or a fraction of the side of the ball) across the line to get the 1st down or the TD - this is why you see the ref sometimes measure extremely close measurements by sticking a piece of paper between the ball and the yard stick.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:48 pm to arrakis
its interesting, but how is the chip going to determine when the ball is down, or dead, and keeps moving after that point?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 9:03 pm to PJinAtl
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Where would you put it in the ball, and would you have multiple chips in each ball?
thats the biggest question. I like the concept since when there is a pile you may not know if the ball crosses or not. I don't think its the end all answer but its a start
Posted on 8/5/10 at 9:04 pm to PJinAtl
quote:a chip in each end?
Where would you put it in the ball, and would you have multiple chips in each ball?
I think in soccer the entire ball has to go across the goal line to count, correct? In football all you have to do is get the nose of the ball (or a fraction of the side of the ball) across the line to get the 1st down or the TD - this is why you see the ref sometimes measure extremely close measurements by sticking a piece of paper between the ball and the yard stick.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 9:49 pm to nino2469
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thats the biggest question. I like the concept since when there is a pile you may not know if the ball crosses or not. I don't think its the end all answer but its a start
No, the biggest question is the status of the ball.....
The "alarm notification" has to differentiate between over the line while the ball is live or after the ball is dead. How will it know the status of the ball?
The technology is designed for soccer, which doesn't matter how the ball crosses the indicated line...in football, it does. The company is trying to promote it's technology; the NFL will listen, but I doubt it will be more than that for the forseeable future.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 9:54 pm to arrakis
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How will it know the status of the ball?
good point, didn't even think of that
Posted on 8/5/10 at 10:12 pm to nino2469
A field goal is one possible app. It's a really tough call when the ball is above the uprights and hooking/fading. It would take some fancy engineering with sensors, but I imagine they could make it work.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 10:14 pm to Tigerbait337
very good idea
Posted on 8/5/10 at 10:24 pm to arrakis
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The technology, which was originally designed for soccer balls, helps referees know when the ball has crossed a line. In soccer, the technology is used to help referees determine if a ball did, in fact, pass the goal line.
Except FIFA refuses to employ such technology to aid their referees.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 10:26 pm to Acreboy
i actually thought of this several years ago, but i just ditched the idea because i couldn't think of a way to tell if the runner was down. Though of knee and elbow sensors and everything timed up, but it just seemed too complicated.
ETA: Also though of having electronic prices in supermarkets so you didn't have to keep updating the things on the shelves. This was back in 04 when i was working at albertsons. Saw that damn shite in a whole foods this pass year.
ETA: Also though of having electronic prices in supermarkets so you didn't have to keep updating the things on the shelves. This was back in 04 when i was working at albertsons. Saw that damn shite in a whole foods this pass year.
This post was edited on 8/5/10 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 8/5/10 at 10:57 pm to barry
I have thought about this before as well. Have a chip in each end of the ball and a signal type thing on the plain of the goaline and first down markers. You will then always know of a sure first down or td.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 11:02 pm to thenry712
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Except FIFA refuses to employ such technology to aid their referees.
Forget technology for a minute; why not stick an extra official at each goal? Maybe not for league play, but surely for the World Cup. Hell, even HS football associations are going to 7 man crews for state playoffs. If they can add a couple, FIFA damn sure can.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 11:21 pm to arrakis
FIFA, unlike the NFL, is full of corrupt and old officials who are set in their ways. It essentially acts as a dictatorship considering no other international body can contain its power.
I think the Hawkeye technology, as used in tennis, would be the best for determining if the whole of the ball crossed the whole of the line. I'm not sold on replay because it would take away some of the beauty of the constant motion in soccer. I'm just big on getting goals called right like in the England vs. Germany match.
shite like Koman Coulibaly vs. USA happens in all sports. Replay cannot totally fix stupidity and human error. (See Patrick Peterson incomplete pass).
/hijack
I think the Hawkeye technology, as used in tennis, would be the best for determining if the whole of the ball crossed the whole of the line. I'm not sold on replay because it would take away some of the beauty of the constant motion in soccer. I'm just big on getting goals called right like in the England vs. Germany match.
shite like Koman Coulibaly vs. USA happens in all sports. Replay cannot totally fix stupidity and human error. (See Patrick Peterson incomplete pass).
/hijack
Posted on 8/6/10 at 2:28 am to arrakis
Except for maybe FGs, I don't see how this will help.
Posted on 8/6/10 at 2:29 am to hg
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Have a chip in each end of the ball and a signal type thing on the plain of the goaline and first down markers. You will then always know of a sure first down or td
How will the chip tell you when the player's knee touched the ground in relation to where the ball was at the time his knee touched the ground?
CHIPS IN THE KNEES!!!
Posted on 8/6/10 at 2:43 am to shel311
They can def use some of the technology that they have gotten from touchscreen technology and implement it on the field to determine when the knee is down and where the ball is.
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