re: Merrill Hoge writes book “Brainwashed: The Bad Science Behind CTE and Plot to Destroy FB”

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So CTE is the climate change of the sports world. Normal people know the true and see the science as true. Then you have the Hodges if the world fighting against facts.

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The science is very incomplete. Here is what we know.

1. If you played football long enough and hard enought to make it into the NFL, you likely have CTE. If you made it into the NFL and had a long or even medium-length career, then you definitely have CTE.

2. Not every former NFL player is batshit insane. Most are perfectly normal.

3. It follows that you can have CTE and be perfectly normal.

4. It further follows that mere CTE is not in and of itself a debalitating brain condition.


So then what's going on? Is there a certain level of CTE that, once one surpasses, they become batshit crazy? But if you are under that level, then you are not batshit crazy? That's actually my best hypothesis in view of the above.

The science on this will rapidly improve now that we are beginning to be able to see this while people are still alive. When we learn more, I believe that there will be no question that CTE is real. I also believe that there will be no question that the effects were overstated.

The union was so concerned about their player safety they commissioned exactly zero studies of the issue on their members' behalf. Where are these legions of brain addled CTE zombies from football littered in American society?

Or did CTE become an issue once someone figured out how to squeeze money out of it?

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The science is very incomplete.

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Absolutely correct

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1. If you played football long enough and hard enought to make it into the NFL, you likely have CTE

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What? Please show me these studies

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you made it into the NFL and had a long or even medium-length career, then you definitely have CTE.

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WTF?You don't know this at all.Here's a recent study about early onset dementia on NFL and NHL players.It usually is the best predictor of CTE

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Leddy added: “We looked at 21 former professional football and hockey players with an average age of 56. Not one qualified as having early onset dementia.”

He noted that the athletes in the study had played an average of 8 years in their professional leagues, and thus likely had plenty of opportunities to experience concussions. Information from the athletes themselves about how many concussions they remember experiencing was deemed unreliable and was not included in the study.

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3. It follows that you can have CTE and be perfectly normal.

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Where are you coming up with this?

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believe that there will be no question that CTE is real.

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I don't believe anyone is debating this.

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I also believe that there will be no question that the effects were overstated.

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No idea if true or not true but it's a serious condition IMO

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Has more credibility than this guy

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OK let's pause a second. I understand that the CTE issue is complicated and we have a long way to go in figuring out the science and somehow this issue became politicized and idiots started lining up along their battle lines like herded cattle but

Did you seriously just claim that Merrill fricking Hoge has more credibility than Bob Ley? Bob Ley is one of the last surviving and most respected pure journalists in the world of sports and you think Merrill Hoge is someone you'd put up against that? And you proudly state that opinion in public?

I'm not even mad that's actually amazing.

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1. If you played football long enough and hard enought to make it into the NFL, you likely have CTE. If you made it into the NFL and had a long or even medium-length career, then you definitely have CTE.

2. Not every former NFL player is bat shite insane. Most are perfectly normal.

3. It follows that you can have CTE and be perfectly normal.

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None of this has been proven

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GTFO...he's nothing more than a typical ESPN SJW
who's never come close to CONSIDERING another opinion on this subject.If he was a "pure journalists" (whatever that means) he'd present a more balanced perspective on this subject...which he never has.

Oh aND Im sooooo glad you're not upset when someone on a SPORTS MESSAGE BOARD has a different opinion.

This place never fails to dissapoint.

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Oh I see. You're one of those. Carry on, buddy.

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who's never come close to CONSIDERING another opinion on this subject

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that's probably because CTE in football players, boxers, etc is fricking widely accepted among the scientific community and medical community.

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that's probably because CTE in football players, boxers, etc is fricking widely accepted among the scientific community and medical community.

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Really? This study Didn't involve scientists and PhD's?

Tell me, what is "widely"accepted? Does every person who play in the NFL get CTE?How boxers?Does every pro
boxer get CTE?If not,why not?


You also mentioned a "shite ton"of studies...actually there hasn't been LONG TERM and double blind studies comparing people who get early on set dementia who never were involved in contact sports vs those who were.

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Keep in mind the first signs of CTE were in the 1920's, in boxers. They called it punch drunk syndrome. Since then there have been a frickin shite ton of studies

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Since the 20's??? God almighty

Here's another perspective from Radiologist that gives a skeptical analysis (God forbid) of a popular CTE "study" that parroted by USA Today,CNN,ESPN,etc here ya go

There's a "shite ton" we actually don't know about CTE and I'd rather scientists with long term studies sort this out
as opposed to ESPN and trial attorneys.

You went full retard. Never go full retard.