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re: McMurphy: Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff visiting SMU Wednesday

Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:56 am to
Posted by TulaneFan
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:56 am to
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Boise does not have anywhere close to the financial or academic standing as SMU. Boise has improved their academic profile some by seizing the success their football team had, but at one point when that run first started was best known for their truck driving academy and fleet management degree. No one in the PAC wants to be associated academically with Boise.

This… and they aren’t that good in football anymore.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35507 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:42 am to
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How many of those tv’s are tuning into fricking New Mexico football?


This could be said about all of the G5 teams being added to the Big 12 and the Pac 12, potentially.

It makes geographic sense, and brings a big TV market.

I mean, they are considering Tulane.

Tulane average about 20,000 people per regular season home game. New Mexico averaged about 15,000. Tulane had their best season in 25 years. New Mexico was 2-10.

I don't give a shite about either program, but at least one is a state school with SOME state-wide interest.

Few people in New Orleans care about Tulane. No one outside of New Orleans does.

I'm not knighting for New Mexico. I do, however, think it makes some marketing sense for the Pac 12 to make themselves the "Conference of the West" and adding New Mexico, UNLV and Boise State, and even SMU, would give them a presence in nearly every western state.

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:44 am to
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No one in the PAC wants to be associated academically with Boise.


Kliavkoff has said that the academic and religious snobbery of the past will no longer be a factor.

So, they may not add Boise, but it won't be because of academic concerns.
Posted by AwesomeSauce
Das Boot
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:58 am to
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Kliavkoff has said that the academic and religious snobbery of the past

All this means is that they won't automatically disqualify a team for not being a member of the AAU. I believe currently OSU and WSU are the only non-AAU members, and they were package deals with Oregon and Washington. Boise is on par with ULM academically. When I said they made improvements I meant they went from a glorified JUCO to a bottom tier four year institution.
Posted by TulaneFan
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2008
14092 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:09 pm to
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I don't give a shite about either program, but at least one is a state school with SOME state-wide interest.

Few people in New Orleans care about Tulane. No one outside of New Orleans does.

Most viewed Group of 5 games this year

1. (19) Tulane at (21) Cincinnati- 1.72 million viewers

2. Utah State at Boise State - 1.44 million viewers

3. Tulane at Houston – 1.26 million viewers


2 of the top 3 most viewed G5 games were Tulane games
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
10298 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:15 pm to
The PAC-12 (10?) is fricked. At this point, I would be shocked if the four corner schools don't bail ASAP:

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CBS & Turner are currently no longer involved in Pac-12’s media rights negotiations, sources told


LINK

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Basically they say the Big XII renewing their deal with ESPN and Fox kinda took the last big deal off the market. Fox isn't interested unless they get a deal for "pennies on the dollar", Amazon only wants the top game each week and not tonnage (i.e. no PAC 12 network games on Prime), Apple TV is the rumored third party interested in a deal but is still a streamer and much weaker than Amazon, none of the other big sports names are interested (i.e. TNT, CBS, NBC), Bob Iger reiterated in the Disney earnings call last week that ESPN is going to have to cut back on what rights it picks up and "be more selective."
The segment ends with the quote in the title "Things are not looking great right now for the PAC-12 from a linear perspective."


LINK
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35507 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:18 pm to
You just had a great season. I get it.

It’s not the norm and long term decisions should not be made based on this year.
Posted by TulaneFan
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2008
14092 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:34 pm to
You’re right Tulane football has mostly been bad, but all it took was one season to accomplish more than New Mexico has in its entire history.

Tulane comes with the risk of being dead weight but the upside is we have been on the big stage and won. Not many teams left in the G5 can say that
Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9503 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:04 pm to
I dont think its hard to see how this is going to shake out...

B1G EAST:

Ohio St
Penn St
Michigan St
Michigan
Rutgers
Maryland
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois

B1G WEST:

USC
UCLA
Washington
Oregon

Nebraska
Iowa
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Northwestern

BIG 12

Oklahoma St
Iowa St
Kansas
Kansas St
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
West Virginia
BYU
Arizona
Arizona St
Utah
Colorado
Houston
Cincinnati
UCF




The hardest part is figuring out what becomes of the PAC, MWC, AAC and CUSA. What kind of merger between teams of those conferences look like? Who gets left out in the cold?


PAC/MWC/AAC:

Oregon St
Washington St
Stanford
Cal
Boise St
San Diego St
Colorado St
Nevada
Wyoming
Utah St
Hawaii
UNLV
New Mexico
SMU

Schools like Air Force, San Jose St, Fresno St are all going to be left high and dry.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 1:06 pm
Posted by msutiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2008
71995 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:18 pm to
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This post was edited on 4/15/23 at 8:15 am
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29741 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:19 pm to
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B1G WEST:

USC
UCLA
Washington
Oregon
Nebraska
Iowa
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Northwestern


The soon to be Big 10 Commissioner is not in favor of adding Oregon or Washington. The Big 10 is focused on adding Virginia, Clemson, Miami, Notre Dame, and North Carolina or Florida State.

The Big 12 is finalizing the Gonzaga deal right now which should be announced in a few weeks. Then the 4 Corner schools. Washington & Oregon could join the Big 12 but it won't happen until 2025.

The MWC and remaining members of the Pac-12 will join together but the Pac-12 is finished.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 1:20 pm
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29741 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:21 pm to
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Gonzaga? Maybe. They are more likely to join the PAC, though.


Gonzaga turned down the PAC-12's invitation.
Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9503 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:40 pm to
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The soon to be Big 10 Commissioner is not in favor of adding Oregon or Washington.


Which is who?
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29741 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:11 pm to
Jim Phillips will be named the next commissioner.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35507 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:36 pm to
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All this means is that they won't automatically disqualify a team for not being a member of the AAU.


No, what it means is they don't give a shite about academics.

It's a fricking sports league. I know they have spouted that nonsense in the past, but now they are about survival.

How many AAC teams are in the Mountain West? Because that's where they are headed.

They are aggressively courting San Diego State, and may have to fight the Big 12 for them. San Diego State is currently ranked 151 by US News, actually tied with Oregon State.

The Pac 12 schools have made fun of San Diego State's academics for years, now they are begging them to join the conference.

Boise State is obviously an even worse school, but above the 150 range, I'm not sure these schools see much difference between 150 and 300.

Besides, Kliavkoff has publicly stated it's not even a factor. They also had a no "religious school" policy, but are courting SMU.

It's a new world.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35507 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:41 pm to
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Gonzaga turned down the PAC-12's invitation.


If true, this is more proof that Kliavkoff is a failure.

He could've already had Gonzaga, but never even thought about it before the Big 12 reached out.

He should've added Gonzaga and St. Mary's as non-football members.

I do question this from Gonzaga's perspective though. They toyed with joining the Big East a few years back, but did not due to travel. This is not much less travel, and I would imagine the money is similar.

A basketball team joining a football conference will mean that they will have no authority or power. They would be equals in the Big East.

Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
54819 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:56 pm to
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A basketball team joining a football conference will mean that they will have no authority or power. They would be equals in the Big East.


What are they gonna do the day when Gonzaga is a 200+ RPI non factor like they used to be and like they will be again one day?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35507 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 3:18 pm to
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What are they gonna do the day when Gonzaga is a 200+ RPI non factor like they used to be and like they will be again one day?


While we do see a lot of recency bias as it relates to adding (or not adding teams) and even in some of the proposed scheduling of the new conference structures, but Gonzaga has been one of the best teams in the country for almost 30 years.

Sure, they could suck again. But so could anyone else.

You could look at any snap shot in time and find teams that were on top of the world and teams on the bottom, and then it's flipped 10 years later.

So your point is valid, but it could happen to any team.

To me, the most important thing is fan support and institutional support. I think Gonzaga has it and they want to win.

There are lots of schools that can string together a few good years, despite lack of support and you can tell it's not really sustainable.

This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 3:19 pm
Posted by AwesomeSauce
Das Boot
Member since May 2015
11455 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 3:33 pm to
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No, what it means is they don't give a shite about academics.


I do not believe the presidents/deans of these institutions will want to be affiliated with a school ranked in the bottom 25% of four year institutions. That is the difference between 101-250 ranked institutions and 330+ ranked institutions. The AD's have talked them into being ok with 101-250 schools to save the conference. Boise academically is in a different stratosphere. There is a lot of 150-250 schools between Texas and Hawaii that make as much or more sense for the PAC to add.

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35507 posts
Posted on 2/15/23 at 3:53 pm to
You can believe what you want to believe.

Boise and UNLV are both in the 280-300 range and both are candidates to join the Pac 12.

Of course neither, or both, could join, depending on how it all plays out.

I would actually be shocked if UNLV is not a member of the Pac 12 before this expansion cycle is over. Kliavkoff is from Vegas, worked for MGM, and the Pac 12 is openly trying to have a presence in Vegas. They already play multiple championship games there.

I think Boise is down the list a bit, but not because of academics.

I think their preferences, in somewhat of an order, are:

San Diego State
SMU
UNLV
Fresno St.
Boise State

And then maybe, if shite really breaks loose:
San Jose State
Tulane


They really need to add 6-8 teams. There really are no good choices. But I don't see that list as any worse than what the Big 12 added.
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