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re: Matt Rhule: "A good QB in the portal costs between $1 to 2 million" in NIL
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:19 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:19 pm to lsufball19
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I don't care what they're paid. I just want structure and boundaries for everyone to follow just like every other sports league in the world. I don't want the wild west like what we have. You want to be paid to play. Fine, sign a contract and be forced to play under that contract for however many years. Coaches have to and if they want out, they pay an exit fee. Players in pro leagues are under contract. They don't get to "take their talents elsewhere" whenever they feel like it.
To do that would require a CBA between the "employer" NCAA? All conferences? and a players union. Before the players can form a union, they need to be recognized as (in essense) "employees". Otherwise, the courts will strike down any attempts to restrict NIL. It's the free market. If a business wants to pay a player for use of his name, image, likeness, the school/conference can't unilaterally restrict.
First question is who is the "employer"? The NFL, NBA, MLB consist of 30ish separate individual businesses operating under one umbrella (i.e., the league). Those individual businesses and the players (employees) have collectively agreed to all of the rules under which they operate.
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:25 pm to lsufball19
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I don't care what they're paid. I just want structure and boundaries for everyone to follow just like every other sports league in the world.
Every other sports league in the world are PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES, not amateur student-athletes. That's why this whole entire convoluted situation is so fricking stupid.
If we want to destroy and tear apart everything that has made CFB great and just make it a mini-NFL feeder system, then why even pretend to be amateurs? Quit making the kids go to class and if they drop a ball or fart at the wrong time you should be able to cut them immediately and no longer pay them. No other options to transfer to? Too bad, you're a professional and this is what you wanted. Who cares that you're 19 and haven't been taking classes so now have zero prospects for your future. The TV networks and conferences got what they wanted so be gone.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:28 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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I’m good on my state not spending my tax dollars to pay some kid to play football at a school I don’t care about
Your state isn't footing the bill for the massive coaching contracts, athletic foundations are. Why do you think you'd be footing the bill for player salaries?
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Your reasoning is that other sports leagues do it?
correct
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Who cares what other sports leagues do?
a lot of people
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They all have wildly different rules regarding contracts from each other anyway
there are nuances, yes, but no they're no wildly different.
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What’s wrong with private individuals/businesses footing the bill?
I don't care where the money actually comes from. Seems like you're completely missing the point here
This post was edited on 11/29/23 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:29 pm to WG_Dawg
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If we want to destroy and tear apart everything that has made CFB great and just make it a mini-NFL feeder system
this has already happened
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Quit making the kids go to class and if they drop a ball or fart at the wrong time you should be able to cut them immediately and no longer pay them. No other options to transfer to? Too bad, you're a professional and this is what you wanted. Who cares that you're 19 and haven't been taking classes so now have zero prospects for your future. The TV networks and conferences got what they wanted so be gone.
I'm ok with all of this. Might as well go all-in instead of pretending to be something they're not like they are now. These kids haven't been true amateur student athletes in a long time.
This post was edited on 11/29/23 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:31 pm to WG_Dawg
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if they drop a ball or fart at the wrong time you should be able to cut them immediately and no longer pay them.
Schools are restricted from cutting a kid?
Kids get cut from every school in the country every single year.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:32 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Kids get cut from every school in the country every single year.
The SEC and I believe the rest of the P5 conferences have guaranteed scholarships now
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Can't simply cut a scholarship athletes unless he is ineligible, commits fraud, is disciplined by school board for serious misconduct, quits voluntarily, or violates school policy
This post was edited on 11/29/23 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:36 pm to RLDSC FAN
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"A good QB in the portal costs between $1 to 2 million" in NIL
I wish we'd stop calling it NIL. That's not what it is...it's salary/signing bonus. NIL would be them doing autograph signings at the mall and selling their jerseys and terrible t-shirts online.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:36 pm to lsufball19
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there are nuances, yes, but no they're no wildly different.
Uhh yea they are lol.
There are mega differences between how the nfl, nba and mlb handle contracts. Even bigger differences in how they are handled in Europe
Have you ever read any league’s cba before?
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Seems like you're completely missing the point here
Seems like your point is that you don’t like a free market. You want something where individual freedom is regulated and restricted for the benefit of mega institutions, most of which are run by the government.
No thank you, comrade.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:40 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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There are mega differences between how the nfl, nba and mlb handle contracts. Even bigger differences in how they are handled in Europe
Have you ever read any league’s cba before?
would you be against college athletics unionizing and creating a CBA?
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Seems like your point is that you don’t like a free market.
Do you think pro sports have a free market? Do you hate them for it? Should player A be able to sign a 5 year deal for 100 million, and then the very next year say, nah, I want out. I'm going to go to a different team who will pay me more or give me more playing time?
No, it doesn't work like that at all. Unmitigated free agency would be a disaster, but that's what we have created with college sports. It has nothing to do with hating a free market. It has everything to do with creating structure to preserve long-term viability of a league.
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You want something where individual freedom is regulated and restricted for the benefit of mega institutions, most of which are run by the government.
yeah, no
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No thank you, comrade.
okThis post was edited on 11/29/23 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:41 pm to PUB
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NOTHING amateur about the situation. Paid professionals with unrestricted free agency. Period.
It's not unrestricted
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How many times can you transfer colleges?
NCAA colleges allow transferring more than once. But some transfers could incur penalties. Especially if you’re transferring to a four-year college for a second time.
Let’s suppose you want to transfer to your third four-year school. Let’s also suppose that the previous two four-year colleges you attended offered your sport. In this hypothetical, the transfer is allowed but with a penalty of sitting out a year. That means you will not play and possibly not practice with the team for an entire year.
Now let’s look at another hypothetical. You’ve transferred from a four-year school to a junior college that’s only two years. Now you want to transfer back to a four-year school to finally complete your degree. In this scenario, you can transfer without penalty. Even though it will be your second time playing for a four-year school, it will be your first time transferring to
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:41 pm to lsufball19
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this has already happened
In the last ~5 years. It has happened FAST. Roughly 2018 is when they started allowing free unrestricted transferes wherever the frick you want. Then NIL was born. HS kids are getting paid and then bolting after 1 year because why not. Then conferences started imploding and changing based on zero logical sense.
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I'm ok with all of this.
then you don't actually like "college football". You want an NFL-lite that has younger players. And that's fine if that's what you personally enjoy, but it's not "college football" and a great many of us fricking despise it.
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These kids haven't been true amateur student athletes in a long time
before NIL there was at least the facade of it. Now no one even pretends anymore. It's a real shame. And what really pisses me off is the NIL shite that really hastened the downfall of the sports was brough on because a bunch of fricktards compalined that players couldn't profit from being in a gotdamn video game. Well here ya go! You got what you wanted, hope it was worth it.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:43 pm to WG_Dawg
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then you don't actually like "college football". You want an NFL-lite that has younger players. And that's fine if that's what you personally enjoy, but it's not "college football" and a great many of us fricking despise it.
I'm ok with it because there's no going back to what college sports used to be. Might as well go all-in at this point and manage what they've created rather than pretending to be something they're not
This post was edited on 11/29/23 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:51 pm to LG2BAMA
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The NFL should be paying these kids in their own minor League system.
That wouldnt make money unless the teams were tied to schools
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:51 pm to lsufball19
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Should player A be able to sign a 5 year deal for 100 million, and then the very next year say, nah, I want out. I'm going to go to a different team who will pay me more or give me more playing time?
This is a regular occurrence in the nba at this point
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would you be against college athletics unionizing and creating a CBA?
I hate public sector unions, so yes.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:54 pm to WG_Dawg
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before NIL there was at least the facade of it. Now no one even pretends anymore. It's a real shame. And what really pisses me off is the NIL shite that really hastened the downfall of the sports was brough on because a bunch of fricktards compalined that players couldn't profit from being in a gotdamn video game. Well here ya go! You got what you wanted, hope it was worth it.
Sorry for the capitalism.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:59 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Sorry for the capitalism.
we're not talking about competing companies within an industry fighting for your business. We're talking about college students playing football. Not every single thing in life boils down to a particular economic system.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 4:01 pm to GalacticaCannon
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with nothing but corn beef farm girls to impress.
They will give you a much better time than Paige, The hunt girl or that Brylie chic from MS St, guaranteed. Trust me, I know.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 4:03 pm to Choupique19
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I'm older enough to recall when people said, "these poor college kids just need enough money in their pockets to eat a burger on the weekends, or take a date to the movies."
And? These schools make a metric frick ton off the players. Players should get everything they can when they can b/c the vast majority aren't going pro and even the ones who do the average career is 3 years or less.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 4:17 pm to barry
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Which is a terrible take, as they should be making what the free market will give them, especially when coaches started making 8 figure annual salaries
We should have been allowed to pay Burrow what we were giving Orgeron.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:33 pm to RLDSC FAN
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in NIL
NIL in this scenario is just dropping a bag on the kid, but it’s cute how they try to pretend it’s not outright pay for play.
This post was edited on 11/29/23 at 5:33 pm
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