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Matt Leinart on what makes CFB different in the South
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:24 am
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:24 am
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Pretty good, but he avoids the elephant in the room (demographics). I think the fact we're still poorer than other regions means (mostly black) kids are more willing to play football with all its risks. The South did have pro teams but they were awful (Saints) or mediocre (Falcons and Bucs) until recently so there isn't the same pro sports culture. My dad who had seen decades of Saints ineptitude always laughed at me for being optimistic about them. I do think Dallas and Houston becoming pro cities hurt the SWC. Nashville pro teams have probably diminished UT's support there
Pretty good, but he avoids the elephant in the room (demographics). I think the fact we're still poorer than other regions means (mostly black) kids are more willing to play football with all its risks. The South did have pro teams but they were awful (Saints) or mediocre (Falcons and Bucs) until recently so there isn't the same pro sports culture. My dad who had seen decades of Saints ineptitude always laughed at me for being optimistic about them. I do think Dallas and Houston becoming pro cities hurt the SWC. Nashville pro teams have probably diminished UT's support there
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 10:26 am
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:29 am to Mithridates6
Many people in northern and western states go to smaller schools where football isn’t as popular (or some may not even have teams).
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:38 am to Mithridates6
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Nashville pro teams have probably diminished UT's support there
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:39 am to Mithridates6
I think it's due to the warm weather. The southeast and California have the best athletes in other sports such as baseball and football as well. Being able to play and train year round is a massive advantage.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:40 am to Mithridates6
South has always been more interested in college football.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:41 am to Mithridates6
All good points, but it's also because of the huge AA populations down south.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:42 am to Mithridates6
A big part in the rise of football in the south has been the south's ability to play prime time games the entire season because the weather is more reasonable.
Obviously all the demographic advantages and what not that have been said have played a huge part as well, but having the southern schools always on the prime time night games has been a huge recruiting advantage for the south.
Obviously all the demographic advantages and what not that have been said have played a huge part as well, but having the southern schools always on the prime time night games has been a huge recruiting advantage for the south.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:44 am to Mithridates6
Louisiana is a by product of genetics and yes much of that is within the African American community.. we have two very distinctive genetic lines that both produce usually hard working athletes but with two different body types.. poverty may play a role but the genetics are the foundation. The quickness of our big boys is rarely matched but is usually bolstered by generations of Hard working families.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:58 am to Mithridates6
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Pretty good, but he avoids the elephant in the room (demographics)
He would have been cancelled for saying this. He likes having a career.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:06 am to RLDSC FAN
Black kids outside of the South are also more likely to live in big, high density cities too, so they'll probably play bball if anything. Look at how good Big East bball was for a long time
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:11 am to GentleJackJones
I spent some time in Middle Tennessee in the early 2000s and I saw much more Titans stuff than Vols and that was when UT was still good (though underachieving)
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:16 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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A big part in the rise of football in the south has been the south's ability to play prime time games the entire season because the weather is more reasonable.
Early September weather in Tiger Stadium is anything but reasonable.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:24 am to Mithridates6
College football is so ingrained in the culture of the South because the region did not get a pro sports team until 1966. That explains it more than anything else, IMO.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:26 am to Mithridates6
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Nashville pro teams have probably diminished UT's support there
Lol nobody gives a frick about the Titans and the Preds have a niche following at best.
There are probably 6 different CFB programs with bigger followings than any pro team in Nashville
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:29 am to sand mountainDvalues
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Preds have a niche following at best.
I wouldn't say the Preds have a "niche" following. They are pretty popular amongst Middle Tennessee.
The new Nashville Soccer Club MLS team would have a "niche" following.
The Titans are only popular when they are good.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:33 am to Mithridates6
I remember this thread was on SEC rant a few months ago and someone said the South was better because our black players are “well bred” and “of good stock”. Which I guess might be technically true, but it sounds kind of racist
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:46 am to red sox fan 13
quote:only to people who are predisposed to that sort of sensitivity.
but it sounds kind of racist
Posted on 7/2/20 at 12:49 pm to Mithridates6
It's the ability to play year round and less to do. More time playing translates to better players.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:03 pm to RLDSC FAN
NYC has the largest black population in the country yet there are only a handful of NFL players from there. Weather and population density plays a large part in developing football talent.
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:07 pm to Mithridates6
Kids in the deep south start playing football in the yard when they're 5 and 6 years old. If they don't have a yard, they play in the street. I've seen kids in Pritchard playing football on asphalt in the afternoons when I drove home from work. The fricking asphalt.
When you look at kids in poor areas, they're going to be better at stuff like that because they have nothing else to do but play. They don't get a new game for their xbox every time they ask for one. They don't go on vacations. They aren't members at the country club. You go out in the yard and play football, and for a lot of kids this happens 250-300 days per year, with only bad weather or somebody getting in trouble the reason for a day off.
By the time these kids get to high school and college they have taken thousands of reps. It's the same way with soccer in the poor areas of europe and south america.
South Florida, particularly Dade county, is the most competitive youth football scene in the country by a wide margin. They take it very seriously down there from a very young age. Those kids are playing in full pads as early as 5 and 6 years old, and they're being coached very hard at that age.
If you took a 12 year old good football player from pasadena and dropped him into a league in Miami he would quit after the first day if his parents didn't pull him out because the coaches were cussing him like a dog. You need a mean streak to be a good football player. It's a lot more socially acceptable in this part of the world for a coach to be as tough on your son as they need to be. You pull that shite in California and they'll have you arrested.
Most of the great players from that Miami youth football circuit end up playing in the NFL or in trouble with the law. Dade county does it best, but you see that competition all over the southeast. Mobile, Birmingham, New Orleans, Atlanta, etc. Those kids are competing against other really good players from a very young age, and they're getting coached very hard from a very young age.
When you look at kids in poor areas, they're going to be better at stuff like that because they have nothing else to do but play. They don't get a new game for their xbox every time they ask for one. They don't go on vacations. They aren't members at the country club. You go out in the yard and play football, and for a lot of kids this happens 250-300 days per year, with only bad weather or somebody getting in trouble the reason for a day off.
By the time these kids get to high school and college they have taken thousands of reps. It's the same way with soccer in the poor areas of europe and south america.
South Florida, particularly Dade county, is the most competitive youth football scene in the country by a wide margin. They take it very seriously down there from a very young age. Those kids are playing in full pads as early as 5 and 6 years old, and they're being coached very hard at that age.
If you took a 12 year old good football player from pasadena and dropped him into a league in Miami he would quit after the first day if his parents didn't pull him out because the coaches were cussing him like a dog. You need a mean streak to be a good football player. It's a lot more socially acceptable in this part of the world for a coach to be as tough on your son as they need to be. You pull that shite in California and they'll have you arrested.
Most of the great players from that Miami youth football circuit end up playing in the NFL or in trouble with the law. Dade county does it best, but you see that competition all over the southeast. Mobile, Birmingham, New Orleans, Atlanta, etc. Those kids are competing against other really good players from a very young age, and they're getting coached very hard from a very young age.
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