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re: Manfred: Realignment and expansion on the table

Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:20 am to
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75738 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:20 am to
People would be pissed.

I personally have gone backwards on inter league play. Maybe keep some geographical rivalries, but otherwise scrap it. Or significantly reduce it.

I’ve also got ideas for shortening the season without actually taking away games.
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:47 am to
Another pointless move by Manfred. Baseball is rooted in tradition. These guys are multi-millionaires taking chartered jets. Saving on travel doesn’t drop much more in the bucket for these owners, and it’s not worth it when you lose traditional rivalries. It’s a system that is no longer broken with the expanded Wild Card. Keep the old AL/NL breakdown, as there’s nothing wrong with it. Change for the sake of change will only alienate viewers.

As for SLC…pretty sure they just opened a new ballpark this year. I think it’s in the suburbs though, so who knows how it was paid for.

Nashville voters may not want to be taken to the cleaners again either.

San Antonio is closing in on a new downtown ballpark for Double A and possible Triple A, and a new Spurs arena and Alamodome renovation are on top in some massive project that’s in the works right now. I think they are out.

Who does that leave? Portland? Maybe Austin? Orlando?
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
9924 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 6:47 am to
Frick Manfred. I wish we could turn MLB back to how it was in 1985.

He's going to seriously NASCAR this sport and lose the core fans that don't want all this change.
Posted by LoveHandle
Little Rock
Member since Dec 2009
21 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:04 am to
If expansion takes place they'll have to add at least 8 minor league teams and possibly 10 if the new teams are in AAA cities. I wonder where the new teams would come from?
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75738 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:10 am to
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If expansion takes place they'll have to add at least 8 minor league teams and possibly 10 if the new teams are in AAA cities. I wonder where the new teams would come from?


There is probably another random Texas city big enough for another AA team, but given that whatever minor league adds a team will have to add two, it complicates things further.

AAA could possibly do some realignment, but they're already in a 20-10 model.

It also means a couple more spring training/complex league sites.

ETA: I think a really radical idea for minor league realignment would be for the Cardinals to figure out a place to put their AAA team in the STL metro area similar to the Twins and Astros (and maybe Red Sox), and shift Memphis down to AA in the Texas League.
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 8:21 am
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
15060 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:10 am to
I'm in favor of realignment if it gets the Astros back to a division with majority CST teams, even if it means keeping the little brothers of Arlington around. Having 30% of the schedule start games at/after 9pm is obnoxious.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4546 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 8:43 am to
I missed that SLC had just opened a new park this year, but it's half the size of the old one which is only 11 years old, seats only 8k tops, and was designed to be all "premium seating." And it's even more locked in than the other place as far as expansion, Smith's Ballpark, because part of the project is to build a crap ton of apartment space, office space and retail space right on top of it.

So the reality is that SLC would have to build another MLB level stadium to get a franchise. I wish I had that much money to toss around on stadiums.
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 8:44 am
Posted by McMillan
Member since Jul 2018
7104 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:58 am to
MLB is being killed from within.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75738 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:15 pm to
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So the reality is that SLC would have to build another MLB level stadium to get a franchise. I wish I had that much money to toss around on stadiums.


They could do it, and move to the model that so many franchises are already doing, that I advocated for the Cardinals. To get the AAA franchise in essentially the same market as the big league team.

There are even more than I realized earlier when I made the post about the Cardinals.

I do think that the game could withstand expansion. I'm hard lined against realignment though, at least at the scale proposed. I see the point from Astros fans wanting more games starting in God's time zone.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75738 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:16 pm to
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MLB is being killed from within.


This is absolutely true. There were a bunch of cheap owners that decided to use COVID as the excuse to cut out minor leagues and put hard caps on the number of players allowed in the minors. And it's having negative effects on player development and the game at the highest level.
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
4341 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 1:31 pm to
I think what you'll see is further consolidation of minor league teams.

Where in the past teams had 6 sometimes 7 levels of minors they will further reduce down to where organizations have only 3 levels. I think teams will start to shift drafted high school & low-level players into independent or combined organizations but still under contract with the MLB team. I also see them going to a model where a player can be drafted out of high school or underclass and still continue to attend college.

Not to dissimilar to how hockey operates.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75738 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 1:40 pm to
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I think what you'll see is further consolidation of minor league teams.


I hope not, because it's bad for the long term health of the game.

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I think teams will start to shift drafted high school & low-level players into independent or combined organizations but still under contract with the MLB team.


I actually think this is something they should do in addition to the current format.

I also think that if they become unbalanced with the leagues in the minors, they should consider adding an independent team. Especially at the very lowest and very highest levels. Take a little bit out of the soccer playbook and allow for loaned players to supplement the roster of the unaffiliated-affiliated team (if that term makes sense). It offers up some more development opportunities and stands the chance to solidify the situations for some of these independent teams.

Though I would guess the best candidates for something like that would be Indy League teams that are already relatively stable.

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I also see them going to a model where a player can be drafted out of high school or underclass and still continue to attend college.


They've brought back the JUCO draft and follow. So it would just be a modification/expansion of those rules.

ETA: Sorry for the long responses, this is very literally one of my favorite things to think about and discuss.
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 1:43 pm
Posted by mtnhighTiger
Scottsdale, AZ
Member since Jan 2010
4127 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:07 pm to
I don't like it one bit. That's a big NO from me dawg.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
101811 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:10 pm to
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For my own stab at it, I threw out all mandates and went strictly regional but I think this is the most sensible solution that provides minimal upset, preserves historical ties.







This has Tampa and Colorado swap leagues but they're young franchises anyway without the long term histories. Plus I think the Rockies and their fans would welcome the opportunity to get out of the Dodgers division and the Rays would rather be around Miami, Atlanta and Nashville than New York and Boston.
Posted by mtnhighTiger
Scottsdale, AZ
Member since Jan 2010
4127 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:12 pm to
And Salt Lake is too small in population to support an MLB team. Colorado, Arizona and now Las Vegas negate that. And while they are further away - SF and Seattle pull some of that.

As much as I detest the Dodgers and Padres... they need to stay in a division with SF.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75738 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:18 pm to
That's a pretty sensible realignment that I could get behind.

I think along with that, they should go back to unbalanced schedules and minimize interleague play.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36530 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 3:09 pm to
Postseason, especially the WS, was more dramatic when you had teams that never faced each other that season.


Do away with interleague play and keep divisions the same.
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 3:50 pm
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
7092 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 3:22 pm to
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I’ve also got ideas for shortening the season without actually taking away games.


How many ideas do you have? The only way to shorten the season without removing games is more doubleheaders or fewer off days.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75738 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 3:37 pm to
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How many ideas do you have? The only way to shorten the season without removing games is more doubleheaders or fewer off days.


Playing double headers every other Saturday, where each team has one road and one home DH a month.

I did the math one time, and it ended up cutting down close to 2 weeks of the season. So to make it more palatable for the players to agree to scheduled double headers, shorten the season by 10 days and give the other saved dates as off days. I know it's not a lot, but it could be a start toward the discussion of fewer games. 158 vs 162, along with the other changes and you've cut two weeks of the schedule.

But the owners would need to agree. That's why they'd host one per month on a Saturday and be able to market it as an all day event. So many of them own all the places around the parks now that it could be a net positive despite losing unique playing days.

The players union would get a lot of extra guaranteed game checks for the extra guy that gets to be called up for those games.

It's not perfect, and I'd imagine there are a lot of things I haven't considered. But MLB isn't exactly lighting the world on fire with great ideas lately, so what the hurt in mentioning something like this.
Posted by JCdawg
Member since Sep 2014
9042 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 3:43 pm to
The proposed division of the Braves, Nashville, Marlins, and Rays would absolutely tank in the ratings, and be a disaster for MLB.

Pacific Division
Seattle
Portland/SLC
San Francisco
Las Vegas

Desert Division
Los Angeles
Anaheim
San Diego
Arizona

Plains Division
Denver
Kansas City
St. Louis
Minnesota

Gulf Division
Texas
Houston
Tampa
Miami

Lakes Division
Milwaukee
Chicago WS
Chicago Cubs
Detroit

Appalachia Division
Cleveland
Cincinnati
Nashville
Atlanta

Mid-Atlantic Division
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
Washington
Baltimore

Metro Division
Boston
NY Mets
NY Yankees
Toronoto
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 3:44 pm
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