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re: Magic's Plan: The Lakers don't want this LeBron team to look anything like his Cavs teams
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:06 pm to Rep520
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:06 pm to Rep520
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That will set them up for a 19-20 run.
I was shocked that LeBron was setting himself up for a big run at second round kos but after hearing more about why he went to LA it makes more sense
Plus Kobes reaction was very telling
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:17 pm to SDVTiger
Who is going to shot 3's on this team? I look at the signing they added and its lacking. Also, I think to get Kwahi will be too costly and even if they get him, I still dont think it will be enough to beat the GS warriors.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:31 pm to Bamafan24
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Who is going to shot 3's on this team?
Seems like people are making a bigger deal out of this than they should. The Lakers don’t have a truly elite 3 point shooter but they’ve got guys that can shoot.
KCP 38%
Ingram 39%
Hart 39%
Kuzma 37%
Wagner shot 39% from three each of the past two years at Michigan. The Euro guy from Kansas they drafted shot 45% on nearly 7 attempts per game. And maybe Lonzo can get his shot back and look more like the player he was at UCLA
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:35 pm to Upperdecker
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He kicked Kyrie off the team, he reduced DWade to a spot up shooter the last couple years in Miami
Lebron’s high IQ can’t fix his shooting stroke, and he needs that if the team is gonna compete with him playing a true wing role
You should be embarrassed about writing such a terrible post
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:39 pm to David Ricky
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Seems like people are making a bigger deal out of this than they should. The Lakers don’t have a truly elite 3 point shooter but they’ve got guys that can shoot.
KCP 38%
Ingram 39%
Hart 39%
Kuzma 37%
Wagner shot 39% from three each of the past two years at Michigan. The Euro guy from Kansas they drafted shot 45% on nearly 7 attempts per game. And maybe Lonzo can get his shot back and look more like the player he was at UCLA
This.
Plus who are they going to pick up in free agency to outshoot the Rockets or Warriors from 3 point distance?
Streaky from range ,but not terrible.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:48 pm to Othello
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The people saying the Lakers are fine as they are also happen to be the people who will be saying LeBron needs more help this year in the playoffs.
The Lakers roster right now is very unimpressive
The Lakers roster right now is more help compared to this last season in Cleveland at the guard position.
PG
George Hill averaged 9.4 PPG and 2.8 APG.
Ball averaged 10.2 PPG and 7.2 APG
SG
JR Smith averaged 8.3 PPG and 1.8 APG
KCP averaged 13.4 PPG and 2.2 APG
It gets muddy when you get to the forward position.
If you Put Lebron at Small Forward, that's a huge upgrade for the Lakers.
Love averaged 17.6 PPG at PF/C with Lebron, Ingram and Kuzma both averaged 16.1 PPG. I would expect that number to go up with Lebron.
Tristan Thompson averaged 5.8 PPG with a PER of 13.6
McGee averaged 4.8 PPG with a PER of 22.3.
Worst case, it's a push as it stands now.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:52 pm to David Ricky
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Seems like people are making a bigger deal out of this than they should. The Lakers don’t have a truly elite 3 point shooter but they’ve got guys that can shoot.
KCP 38%
Ingram 39%
Hart 39%
Kuzma 37%
Wagner shot 39% from three each of the past two years at Michigan. The Euro guy from Kansas they drafted shot 45% on nearly 7 attempts per game. And maybe Lonzo can get his shot back and look more like the player he was at UCLA
Only Kuzma and KCP shot at a decent volume to say their percentages are legit. Ingram didn't even average 2 3PA/game, and Hart barely averaged 3.0 3PA/game.
Once the volume goes up their percentages are certain to fall. Ingram is probably closer to a 35-36% shooter if his volume goes up and Hart is probably in the same area. Still solid but there's a huge different between 39% and 36% IMO when it comes to 3 pointers.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:53 pm to sugar71
The reason I ask about the 3's is from watching the cavs shoot so poorly from there when LBJ would get them wide open shots. Also, with the high scoring rockets/warriors you're going to need to made a decent percentage to keep up in those games.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 5:07 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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The Lakers roster right now is more help compared to this last season in Cleveland at the guard position.
PG
George Hill averaged 9.4 PPG and 2.8 APG.
Ball averaged 10.2 PPG and 7.2 APG
SG
JR Smith averaged 8.3 PPG and 1.8 APG
KCP averaged 13.4 PPG and 2.2 APG
If only this were apples to apples..... Those guys had much higher usage on a terrible team. LeBonk will eat into their numbers.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 5:17 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Love averaged 17.6 PPG at PF/C with Lebron, Ingram and Kuzma both averaged 16.1 PPG. I would expect that number to go up with Lebron.
Huh? Kevin Love averaged 12.4 FGA, Ingram averaged 12.9 as a top offensive weapon, and Kuzma averaged 13.5 FGA.
You really expect Kuzma and Ingram to get MORE attempts now that LeBron is in town?
I don't see how you come up with that.
Know why Kevin Love averaged more points on less attempts?
THREE POINT SHOOTING. He was a VERY good 3 point shooter at 41.5% on good volume with 5 3PA/game.
I see Ingram being stifled offensively somewhat, and Kuzma should be OKAY as their main scorer off the bench.
Problem is, is LeBron going to play SF?
Kuzma, Ingram and LeBron all pretty much play the same position.
I'm not sure how much LeBron wants to chase around small ball 3s in the league.
For instance, the Rockets could trot out a lineup of Paul, Harden, Gordon, Luc mbah a Moute, and PJ Tucker.
Who matches up with Gordon? Are you really going to have Ball AND Rondo on the floor at the same time? That would be horrible offensively.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 5:22 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Only Kuzma and KCP shot at a decent volume to say their percentages are legit. Ingram didn't even average 2 3PA/game, and Hart barely averaged 3.0 3PA/game.
Once the volume goes up their percentages are certain to fall. Ingram is probably closer to a 35-36% shooter if his volume goes up and Hart is probably in the same area. Still solid but there's a huge different between 39% and 36% IMO when it comes to 3 pointers.
KCP shot over 42% from 3 after January 1st until seasons end. Not far off from JJ Redick who shot .420 for the season. KCP probably tried to do a bit too much at times because he was a seasoned veteran (24 years) at the wing compared to the shaky youth/ rookies of the Lakers.
KCP is probably more versatile/ decent defender shooting 42% plus from 3 than most available free agents. And there's no one to sign who you'd want taking Kuzma/ Hart minutes.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 5:24 pm to Jester
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Those guys had much higher usage on a terrible team.
Which is why KCP's FG and 3P percentages are higher than JR's?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 5:31 pm to sugar71
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KCP shot over 42% from 3 after January 1st until seasons end. Not far off from JJ Redick who shot .420 for the season.
Seriously ? You have to be some Lakers homer to think there's any comparison what so ever between KCP and Redick as a 3pt shooter. JJ Redick has a 41% 3pt percentage for his CAREER. Thats REALLY REALLY good. Just for comparison Ray Allen has a 40% 3pt percentage for his career.
KCP? 34% career 3pt percentage...OKAY but nothing great.
Last column is 3pt percentage, column before that is 3PA, column in front of that is 3PM
JJ Redick
KCP
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KCP is probably more versatile/ decent defender shooting 42% plus from 3 than most available free agents. And there's no one to sign who you'd want taking Kuzma/ Hart minutes.
KCP is not going to shoot 42% from 3 this next season...
Look at his career...he's nowhere near 42%. If he shoots even 40% that would be incredible for him.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 5:34 pm to tiggerthetooth
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You really expect Kuzma and Ingram to get MORE attempts now that LeBron is in town?
I do not.
I do expect them to get more open looks and their percentages will climb accordingly.
Especially Ingram, since he will no longer be the
quote:.
top offensive weapon
Posted on 7/5/18 at 5:40 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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I do not.
I do expect them to get more open looks and their percentages will climb accordingly.
Is the ball going to be in LeBron's hands or not? If LeBron doesn't have the ball then these open looks aren't going to be as open.
Isn't LeBron trying to play off the ball?
Not to mention you'll have either Rondo or Ball on the floor at all times which basically makes it a 4 on 5 game from a shooting angle. No one is going to care about giving Lonzo or Rondo space.
I really can't fathom what will happen in the playoffs when the Lakers have 2 black holes from the perimeter.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 5:45 pm to SPEEDY
LeBron becomes a team player?!?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 5:55 pm to Jester
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If only this were apples to apples..... Those guys had much higher usage on a terrible team. LeBonk will eat into their numbers.
It will be apples to apples when results start rolling in come season start. LeBron may eat shots, but he can also generate more open looks for them.
Also, I dislike the narrative the Lakers were terrible. They had 35 wins with both Ball and Ingram missing 20-30 games. They weren't great, but in a stacked West, 35 wins is not a pathetic showing. It's better than the Sixers were in 16-17.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 6:01 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Seriously ? You have to be some Lakers homer to think there's any comparison what so ever between KCP and Redick as a 3pt shooter. JJ Redick has a 41% 3pt percentage for his CAREER. Thats REALLY REALLY good. Just for comparison Ray Allen has a 40% 3pt percentage for his career.
KCP? 34% career 3pt percentage...OKAY but nothing great.
Last column is 3pt percentage, column before that is 3PA, column in front of that is 3PM
I hate clowns that put words in your mouth. I said after Jan 1 2018 until seasons end KCP shot over 42% from 3. Close to J J Redick range of .420 for the season.
I doubt if Redick were available / interested and are you suggesting Ray Allen? What does he have to do with my point?
Give me the long list of "two way players" available in NBA free agency who shot over 42% from three on 6 3PA / game this year.
I'll be waiting and fax the list to the Lakers front office.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 6:13 pm to sugar71
Welcome to going back and forth with poster tiggerthetooth
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 8:13 pm to shel311
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The people saying the Lakers are fine as they are also happen to be the people who will be saying LeBron needs more help this year in the playoffs.
Who right now is saying the Lakers should be able to beat GS?
I didn't say that. But people acting like the Lakers as they are now are going to compete for the Western Finals is just silly.
They are at best the 4th rated team in the West right now behind GS, Houston, and New Orleans.
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