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re: Magic's Plan: The Lakers don't want this LeBron team to look anything like his Cavs teams
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:05 pm to dukke v
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:05 pm to dukke v
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This would have been his best BBALL move.........IMO........
I disagree as I thought the Rockets were the best move, but philly would certainly be the next best thing and they had an easier path to getting it done.
I'm honestly not sure this Lakers team makes the playoffs.
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:05 pm to Upperdecker
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Forcing him to completely change his play style late in his career is going to set him up for failure
YUP....48-34.......
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:06 pm to 632627
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The only thing I’ll give the Lakers credit for is signing these guys to a 1 yr deal. Aside from that, and of course getting lebron, the roster looks like a disaster for the 2018-19 season.
538’s CARMELO projections has the current Lakers at 53 wins next year, which would’ve been the 3 seed last year
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:07 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Lebron should have gone to Philly if he wanted to play with a PG that cant shoot. At least Simmoms can defend and rebound.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:08 pm to tiggerthetooth
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I'm honestly not sure this Lakers team makes the playoffs.
Oh they will make the playoffs but get dusted rather early.... If they could find A way to land Leonard then thats a different story.... I have a gut feeling Leonard is going to Boston or Philly which makes them the easy fav in the East................
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:09 pm to Upperdecker
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But Lebron is not an elite shooter for his position
I used to think this, but he's been improving as a shooter every year and I'd expect him to be even better this coming season. Wouldn't call him elite, but certainly dangerous enough to play off ball.
He's smart enough to know that he has to change his game in order to preserve the latter part of his career.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:10 pm to Goldrush25
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I used to think this, but he's been improving as a shooter every year and I'd expect him to be even better this coming season.
No, hes still OKAY, but why would you expect him to get better? What is going to change between now and October?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:12 pm to dukke v
i dont really see what incentive leonard has to stay in the west. the east is wide open.
maybe even toronto with those two losers that arent clutch in the playoffs.
maybe even toronto with those two losers that arent clutch in the playoffs.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:17 pm to dukke v
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Oh they will make the playoffs but get dusted rather early....
I dont think its certain at all. Just looking at last season, there was a lot of teams piled 3-10 seeds.
Clippers come back a little different and probably more competitive.
Minnesota will be in year 2, so a little better.
Utah should definitely be better in year 2 with Rubio AND Mitchell. I think Utah is going to be really good actually.
Denver really wants to finally break out of the 9th seed
New Orleans has more confidence this year
Portland should be pretty good again
Then OKC will certainly be in the mix as well in year 2 of the Russ and PG match
I really dont see the current Lakers as any better than any of those teams and if this season is anything like last season then it wont take much for the Lakers to miss the cut. LeBron is going to have to be healthy, all season, and playing at a high level all season every night.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:18 pm to tiggerthetooth
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No, hes still OKAY, but why would you expect him to get better? What is going to change between now and October?
I think the roster moves thus far support the idea Lebron's bought in to changing his game more to play off ball. I think it's likely he's suggested it. The more he prepares to play off ball, the better I think he'll be at it. So I guess I believe he wants to play this style, so he'll work at it and be better at it than he was before.
He's had to be the creator since he's come into the league because he's never had a PG able to do it as well as he can.
I don't confuse the fact that he's been the facilitator and he's done it so well with the idea that he wants to play that way necessarily going forward. He's done what he's had to do. Based on what he said when Kyrie was traded, I believe he wanted Kyrie to take on that role ("I was ready to give the keys to him when he was ready to take them") but Kyrie had other ideas about how he wanted his game to develop.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:19 pm to Winston Cup
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maybe even toronto with those two losers that arent clutch in the playoffs.
obviously you know nothing about kawhi. Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:24 pm to Goldrush25
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I think the roster moves thus far support the idea Lebron's bought in to changing his game more to play off ball.
Is that winning basketball though? This team has never played together and it will take time to get things moving and that's IF it gets to that point. This isn't the east where they can hodge podge through stretches during the season just as long as it comes together at the end of the year. A bad stretch could literally knock them from the playoffs.
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So I guess I believe he wants to play this style, so he'll work at it and be better at it than he was before.
As an opposing team, the best thing that could happen is LeBron running around trying to get open WITHOUT the ball in his hands.
Who commands a double team on that roster not named LeBron? NO ONE.
Best defense against LeBron results in him shooting a long 2 or 3. Hes made his career off his athleticism, not his skill as a shooter.
I seriously doubt LeBron is going to change his game much at this stage. No way he sits there and ball watches Rajon Rondo all season.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:25 pm to airfernando
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arent clutch in the playoffs
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obviously you know nothing about kawhi.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:31 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Is that winning basketball though? This team has never played together and it will take time to get things moving and that's IF it gets to that point. This isn't the east where they can hodge podge through stretches during the season just as long as it comes together at the end of the year. A bad stretch could literally knock them from the playoffs.
I don't see a Lebron led team struggling to make the playoffs, even in the West.
And I don't think there's an urgency to challenge the Warriors. They're going to play the long game on this one, build the way you're supposed to build.
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I seriously doubt LeBron is going to change his game much at this stage. No way he sits there and ball watches Rajon Rondo all season.
I guess we'll see. I think he specifically wanted Rondo because he respects his basketball IQ. I don't think he asks him to come and makes him sit in a corner. I seriously don't think he wants this team to be another Cleveland.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:34 pm to tiggerthetooth
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I really dont see the current Lakers as any better than any of those teams and if this season is anything like last season then it wont take much for the Lakers to miss the cut. LeBron
Bron did not go to the Lakers to MISS the playoffs............. However... The west is deep.... Like I said... They won't last long............
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:42 pm to dukke v
Who is the greatest Laker (had to play at least 4 yrs with them) to not win a chammpionshiP? No pressure Lebron.
eta: Vlade/Nick Van Exel/ Eddie Jones...
eta: Vlade/Nick Van Exel/ Eddie Jones...
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:43 pm to SPEEDY
So if this plan fails, we can lay the blame at Lebron’s feet. No more of this “no help, can only work with what’s around him”.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:48 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Elgin Baylor says hi
eta: Vlade/Nick Van Exel/ Eddie Jones...
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:56 pm to Upperdecker
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Lebron plays everything but a traditional role. Lebron is a facilitator with strong driving ability and size. Almost no one has been built like he is, and play the style he plays. Magic Johnson is the best example and Magic technically played a completely different position. Lebron requires a different type of offense, he’s not going to make the best use of his abilities as an off ball wing scorer Magic is building an offense with a true distributor (Rondo) to be the primary ball handler. Not Lebron. Lebron has been the primary ball handler since year 1 in Miami, and even most of his Cleveland years before that. Forcing him to completely change his play style late in his career is going to set him up for failure
I disagree. Lebron has one of the greatest basketball minds in the NBA, possibly of all-time. It will not be hard for him to figure out how to be effective even with not always being the primary ball handler. Lebron can shoot, post up, cut, etc. Besides while being the primary ball handler, he has played with elite scorers such as DWade and Kyrie, and he would let them do their thing. Highly efficient and much better this past year than when he was the entire offense.
Will there be growing pains, sure. That is the case for almost any new team that completely changes their playing style. But to suggest Lebron couldn't figure it out is almost asinine.
Folks thought CP3 wouldnt work in Houston because him and Harden were both primary ball handlers. But, what do you know, players with high ball IQ were able to figure it out. No reason Lebron would be different.
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