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re: Louisiana High School Football will split Public/Private. **Edited with Yes/No**
Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:05 pm to Interception
Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:05 pm to Interception
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There is some type of advantage going on in the private schools if people don't realize that then I can't take their opinion seriously.
I would agree with this, but would not say it's an unfair advantage.
Here's the advantage:
Private schools that have success have competent leadership and management.
The vast majority of public school systems do not.
My point all along has been this has not been an issue of the private schools having an unfair advantage. There are good coaches in some of these public schools that, if the school system would get out of their way and let them do their job to the best of their ability, they would kick arse.
Similarly, there are schools that have resources, but there isn't enough leadership to go find a coaching staff to take full advantage.
So yeah, private schools have an advantage. But, by and large, it is not unfair and has nothing to do with recruiting IN MOST CASES (looking at you, Curtis, Evangel, Uhigh, Catholic, Rummel...some others who are guilty, even if only recently).
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Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:10 pm to supatigah
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this was taken from another board:
you really quoted another message board as support? This from the Shreveport newspaper
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In the opinions of public school coaches and officials, however, something had to change.
“Nothing happens until something moves,” Green Oaks principal Marvin Alexander said. “It’s time for it to move. It’s been going on for decades. This thing just got further and further out of control with these private schools. For example, in Shreveport at Evangel, they have 387 students, but 265 are athletes. You know, that’s just not fair. “I think the public school people have been emailing each other across the state, and we just came to an agreement that it’s time to stand for a change.”
They will form their own group if challenged. Either way a public/private split is done
Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:10 pm to CourseyCorridor
private schools have the power of self determination (like an ISD does) working in their favor
public schools have the power of the majority behind them, but that is NOT always an advantage
good public schools and good private schools share the same traits, they have investment (both emotional and financial) from their communities. Unfortunately that does not exist for a large portion of public schools and they suffer because of it.
public schools have the power of the majority behind them, but that is NOT always an advantage
good public schools and good private schools share the same traits, they have investment (both emotional and financial) from their communities. Unfortunately that does not exist for a large portion of public schools and they suffer because of it.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:13 pm to League Champs
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See California, 10 separate state championships
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: You are a complete idiot....if that is your reference base off of louisianas population la should have only 1/2 of a champion....
The selects are circling the wagons in fact one broke off talks with 2 non selects that voted no on scheduling next year......
It has begun.... And it ain't gonna be pretty the have nots better hope someone fixes this..
Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:14 pm to League Champs
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For example, in Shreveport at Evangel, they have 387 students, but 265 are athletes. You know, that’s just not fair.
the main thing i take from this is that Evangel and Curtis get demonized for that kind of thing, but if that was the ratio at Fisher for example, it would be very fair
Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:16 pm to chalmetteowl
but if that was the ratio at Green Oaks for example, everyone in the Caddo Parish School Board would be ecstatic
Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:18 pm to supatigah
I think what the principal at Green Oaks fails to realize is that if his school and athletic program were actually worth a shite, a school like Evangel wouldn't be nearly the draw that it is.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:19 pm to League Champs
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you really quoted another message board as support?
it was well written
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Either way a public/private split is done
you are correct but not quite for the reasons you want
Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:26 pm to ProjectP2294
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I think what the principal at Green Oaks fails to realize is that if his school and athletic program were actually worth a shite, a school like Evangel wouldn't be nearly the draw that it is.
ohhhhhhhh he realizes it, he just cant do a damn thing about it except bitch
this is what kills me in this whole thing. As League Champs is so proud to tell us, publics are the majority. So why do they act like they are so powerless to act against ECA and JC? The publics put ECA and JC in 2A, they could have put them in 5A too.
except one thing......the LHSAA knew JC and ECA would sue them (and win) if they did that so they just whistled past the graveyard.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:27 pm to supatigah
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you are correct but not quite for the reasons you want
Its not about recruiting and management and leadership, ITS ALL ABOUT being able to take 6th graders, put them in their positions, weight and speed training, a copy of the playbook, so that by he time they are seniors they have seven years in the system
SEVEN
3 and 4 year high schools cannot compete with that. No matter who the coach is
Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:32 pm to League Champs
any nonselect that pretty much knows who their kids are gonna be early can do that...
Posted on 1/28/13 at 7:41 pm to League Champs
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Its not about recruiting and management and leadership, ITS ALL ABOUT being able to take 6th graders, put them in their positions, weight and speed training, a copy of the playbook, so that by he time they are seniors they have seven years in the system
SEVEN
3 and 4 year high schools cannot compete with that. No matter who the coach is
I agree with you 100%...to a point. However Carencro High had the benefit of having a coach at Carencro Middle that ran everything Carencro High did. Those examples are myriad across the state
the way this should have been addressed was to regulate contact time between students and coaches and use a multiplier system to even out the discrepancies in attendance zones and population pools
However what I am trying to tell you is this vote has ripped open the shield the LHSAA hierarchy has hid under to conduct the Association's affairs. You keep your friends close and your enemies closer. By making a dog and pony show out of pushing away almost 1/3 of their own association, the LHSAA has potentially thrown away their ability to resolve the issues themselves.
EVERYONE is about to be digging into their affairs. Politicians, the Courts, the school boards will be lining up outside the LHSAA offices. Privates still have the opportunity to preserve their right to self determination by leaving and creating their own destiny - good or bad. The publics are the majority which places them squarely in the throes of this state's massive bureaucracy.
Preserving the Association's ability to clean its own mess should have been the 1st priority. However not tabling 18 opened it up to the floor and emotions (and not sense) ruled the day.
All politics are local and there is nothing more local than HS sports. I am certain there are politicians that are positively giddy with excitement at being able to address such a public issue
This post was edited on 1/28/13 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:03 pm to supatigah
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The publics put ECA and JC in 2A, they could have put them in 5A too.
Actually the catholic league was about 1/3 if not 1/2 responsible for that......or even more....
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:08 pm to choupiquesushi
the publics are the majority, they didnt need to cut deals with the Catholic League or anyone else
it just so happened the LHSAA's agenda (minimizing ECA and JC) and the Ctholic League's agenda (minimizing JC) meshed perfectly and 2A suffered because of it
BUT the public schools are not powerless to act against ECA and JC.
Unless there was a reason they felt powerless....... like knowing they would get sued and lose
it just so happened the LHSAA's agenda (minimizing ECA and JC) and the Ctholic League's agenda (minimizing JC) meshed perfectly and 2A suffered because of it
BUT the public schools are not powerless to act against ECA and JC.
Unless there was a reason they felt powerless....... like knowing they would get sued and lose
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:12 pm to choupiquesushi
the publics are the majority, they didnt need to cut deals with the Catholic League or anyone else
it just so happened the LHSAA's agenda (minimizing ECA and JC) and the Ctholic League's agenda (minimizing JC) meshed perfectly and 2A suffered because of it
BUT the public schools are not powerless to act against ECA and JC.
Unless there was a reason they felt powerless....... like knowing they would get sued and lose
it just so happened the LHSAA's agenda (minimizing ECA and JC) and the Ctholic League's agenda (minimizing JC) meshed perfectly and 2A suffered because of it
BUT the public schools are not powerless to act against ECA and JC.
Unless there was a reason they felt powerless....... like knowing they would get sued and lose
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:12 pm to supatigah
by requiring every school to play in their class, no one could sue the LHSAA thinking they were treated unfairly...
Posted on 1/28/13 at 8:15 pm to chalmetteowl
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by requiring every school to play in their class, no one could sue the LHSAA thinking they were treated unfairly...
exactly
but put rules in place for 2 or 4 schools and the lawsuits start flying
Posted on 1/28/13 at 9:42 pm to supatigah
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good public schools and good private schools share the same traits, they have investment (both emotional and financial) from their communities. Unfortunately that does not exist for a large portion of public schools and they suffer because of it.
So if Louisiana were to go to a Texas-style ISD model, that would fix things?
Hmmmm...that's a thought. I think school systems tend to try to be everything to everybody. I'd like to look into the Texas model further. the key is the Robin Hood law. I'd hate to see poor systems become even less well funded but at the same time, I hate it when school systems wind up with internal pissing contests.
Posted on 1/28/13 at 9:48 pm to League Champs
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Its not about recruiting and management and leadership, ITS ALL ABOUT being able to take 6th graders, put them in their positions, weight and speed training, a copy of the playbook, so that by he time they are seniors they have seven years in the system
SEVEN
3 and 4 year high schools cannot compete with that. No matter who the coach is
Bullhickey!
Good public school programs all over the state and Texas do it. It's what I think separates the haves and the have nots.
You better believe there is a great deal of continuity between Lee Junior High in Monroe and Neville. Probably West Monroe Junior High and WMHS. Somebody else mentioned Carencro. And you better believe those school systems put proper emphasis on middle school football.
Conversely, Calcasieu Parish schools zone kids from junior highs to multiple high schools and understaff junior high staffs. So Calcasieu never wins anything in football.
And you're insane if you think kids at Southlake Carroll, Katy High, Austin Lake Travis, etc., are learning their school's play calling terminology in ninth grade. Those suckers learn those plays and what they are called in their system in rec ball, I bet.
Stop perpetuating myths. Communities CAN create continuity within their football program with good leadership. BUT THEY LACK GOOD LEADERSHIP>
Posted on 1/28/13 at 10:19 pm to CourseyCorridor
An ISD rewards a county/parish with good leadership
A charter school rewards a school with good leadership
A charter school rewards a school with good leadership
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