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Posted on 5/17/23 at 5:19 am to
Posted by maizegoblue
Florida
Member since Jan 2011
2300 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 5:19 am to
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I agree about the Blackhawks logo but now that you mention it how the Hell is it not whined about more often?




A brief history form someone ...

While people are often quick to categorize the Blackhawks’ logo as one of a number of racially motivated epithets in sports, both the team name and the logo were created to honor the rich heritage of Illinois, and the name wasn’t originally a reference to Native Americans at all.

The founder of the team, Frederic McLaughlin, came up with the name “Black Hawks” in reference to the army division he served with in World War I, which was nicknamed the Black Hawk Division. It was this army division that was originally named for a Native American, not the hockey team.

While the team logo is obviously based on a Native American, it is honoring the image of Chief Black Hawk, the Sauk warrior who the army division named themselves after. While other sports teams, such as the former Washington Redskins, used a name and logo that was based purely on a racist trope, the Blackhawks have tried their best to always show respect to the heritage their team came from.

This is why I agree with the team that the logo should stay the same. Perhaps I’m a bit biased, having been a ‘Hawks fan for so long, but leaving my bias out of the argument, the Blackhawks have done a lot to show their respect for the team’s heritage and to hold up the numerous Native American communities throughout Chicago.

In addition, the team has previously acknowledged that some of their old practices were in poor taste, and have taken steps to move away from these controversies. In July, the team announced that they were banning the wearing of headdresses in the United Center during games. These headdresses were widely seen as cultural appropriation, and the ‘Hawks did the right thing in banning them.

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Posted by Swagga
504
Member since Dec 2009
19261 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 5:21 am to
Salt Lake City or Kansas City seem like they make a ton of sense, especially Utah.

I know it will never happen but I wish nola could get even a minor league team again.
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
30331 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 5:34 am to
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Should be Houston.


I’m for this.

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Absolutely NOT Atlanta


I’m for this too. Don’t want them here.

quote:

literally the worst pro sports town in this country.


Literally. Sure.
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
28745 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 5:59 am to
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Not sure if Houston works either bc IIRC the Rockets have been very hostile to sharing the Toyota Center and I don’t think the NHL will around for a new building to get built. If this team moves I bet they move this summer.


Pretty sure this was pre Tillman
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 6:02 am to
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Absolutely NOT Atlanta, which is literally the worst pro sports town in this country.


LOL. No it's not.

Nice melt
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 6:02 am to
Apparently it's between Atlanta and KC.

C'mon to Atlanta Coyotes.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 6:04 am to
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NOT Atlanta


quote:

Don’t want them here.


Why don't you want an NHL team here?
Posted by VolsOut4Harambe
Baw Land
Member since Sep 2017
14399 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 6:06 am to
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Absolutely NOT Atlanta, which is literally the worst pro sports town in this country.


Rich coming from someone who lives in shithole NOLA
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 6:31 am to
Seriously.

Little brother syndrome and jealousy at its finest.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115415 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 7:03 am to
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While other sports teams, such as the former Washington Redskins, used a name and logo that was based purely on a racist trope, the Blackhawks have tried their best to always show respect to the heritage their team came from


horseshite.

No one names their multi-million dollar sports franchise after someone (or some group) they hate.

Regardless of team, those names have always been used as a sign of respect for their nobility and warrior nature.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
36104 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 7:11 am to
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Hopefully Houston gets them



Would be nice for Houston to have a team in every major sport like New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
7377 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 7:11 am to
SLC only option
Posted by CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Member since Dec 2014
18413 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 7:19 am to
Houston and Salt Lake City won't frick up the alignment like the Eastern markets will. I wonder what upgrades the league would want in the Toyota Center?
Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9503 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 7:22 am to
Salt Lake...natural rival for Colorado.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
39155 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 7:26 am to
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My money is on Kansas City
I think they’re the big dark horse here. They want a tenant for t-mobile bad. They have the means to support it as well.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150140 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 7:31 am to
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Absolutely NOT Atlanta, which is literally the worst pro sports town in this country.
agreed
Posted by ChiGator
Member since Nov 2020
4047 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 7:35 am to
Omg the poor like 100 fans in Phoenix who actually care
Posted by Swagga
504
Member since Dec 2009
19261 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 8:00 am to
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Seriously. Little brother syndrome and jealousy at its finest.


Hasn’t atlanta had two chances to get the nhl right and both times the teams left?

I realize this time the plan is for the suburbs, but it seems like a fresh start in another city is a much better option.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63404 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 8:03 am to
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Houston and Salt Lake City won't frick up the alignment like the Eastern markets will. I wonder what upgrades the league would want in the Toyota Center?


Toyota is a little dated and definitely needs upgrades whether an NHL team moves in or not. That would probably be the big hang up on them coming here. I believe Toyota is all good as far as being ready to play hockey in though and the Aeros played there before moving

Is the Coyotes owner actually looking to sell? I assume he would want to hold the team and move it himself. I’m not sure how well Fertitta would play with others in this regard
This post was edited on 5/17/23 at 8:06 am
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
7496 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 8:06 am to
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but it seems like a fresh start in another city is a much better option.


Counterpoint: WPG/PHX/ATL are intrinsically linked at this point. The Thrashers never should have moved to WPG, it should have been the Coyotes back in 2011. This would correct that wrong, and you already have a built-in fanbase, a new arena on the way, and *two* viable locations temporarily in State Farm and Arena at Gwinnett.


The NHL has done everything it can to make the league work in Arizona. And had it been Meruelo from the beginning, I think it would have been successful. But if Meruelo is going to move the team, he has to know where it's going, which means he needs an arena *now* and potentially one for the future. KC has that. QC has that (but cultural differences make that almost impossible), and ATL has that. Does Houston, without Fertitta being neck-deep in the bid?

Dunno. Important caveat: Meruelo was under a negotiation window to buy the Hawks/Philips about 10 years ago, so he is at least partially aware of economics/demographics in Atlanta.
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