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re: Lhsaa basketball meeting
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:31 am to xBirdx
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:31 am to xBirdx
My cousin is a coach in the Lake Charles area, and I asked him about that during the season, and his thoughts were that it will never get passed because you have to have a dedicated official to control it, and the expenses for every school in the state to have them would be too much. Especially for the smaller schools.
Keep in mind, at every level of basketball that has a shot clock, an official operates it. In every level of basketball above high school, officials control the game clock and the shot clock. High school is lucky that they don't have to pay 5 officials for every game. Most high school games don't even have the 3 officials to call a game that the LHSAA requires.
Keep in mind, at every level of basketball that has a shot clock, an official operates it. In every level of basketball above high school, officials control the game clock and the shot clock. High school is lucky that they don't have to pay 5 officials for every game. Most high school games don't even have the 3 officials to call a game that the LHSAA requires.
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Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:33 am to TeddyPadillac
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If you have to pay for another official to run the shot clock, then add $1 to the entry fee if it's that big of a deal to you.
it's already 10-15 dollars to go to a single basketball game. How much more do you expect people to pay for a high school game?
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:38 am to Kracka
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and his thoughts were that it will never get passed because you have to have a dedicated official to control it, and the expenses for every school in the state to have them would be too much
It's $25 a game to pay an official.
charge $1 more to get in the game. If you don't have 25 people watching the game in attendance, then that's pathetic. Doesn't matter how big a school is, there's at least 24 kids on both rosters with parents.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:40 am to Kracka
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it's already 10-15 dollars to go to a single basketball game. How much more do you expect people to pay for a high school game?
$11-16
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:10 am to elmo 57
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One coach did a poll of best refs in the state. He showed it after the meeting. From what I understand this was from playoffs and state tournament games from a variety of coaches. Best Lafayette, BR, Nola, Shreveport, Alexandria. Worst Lake Charles, Leesville,, Monroe.
I'd be interested to see these types of polls for each sport.
Who is the best/worst in football?
Who is the best/worst in baseball?
Who is the best/worst in softball?
Who is the best/worst in soccer?
Who is the best/worst in volleyball?
Posted on 5/28/25 at 12:28 pm to chalmetteowl
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Biggest spendthrifts ever
No doubt
And there is an Eastbay catalog laying around somewhere guaranteed
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
Totally agree!
$400 clock, plus $50/night to pay someone for 16ish home games….
So $400 fixes cost, plus let’s say $1k/ye to run it.
If that’s not in the budget, have a jambalaya sale and raise it. Would take 6 hours from start to clean up…
$400 clock, plus $50/night to pay someone for 16ish home games….
So $400 fixes cost, plus let’s say $1k/ye to run it.
If that’s not in the budget, have a jambalaya sale and raise it. Would take 6 hours from start to clean up…
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:56 am to Tigear
quote:Yeah that's what they do for sub varsity football and it is an absolute TRAIN WRECK!
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Shot clock should be mandatory.
good luck finding people willing to do it.
All you need is a student "team manager" or a "statistician". Offer them a Varsity Letter jacket for competition of 2 seasons. Get you 1 freshman every other year & you have 2 kids available for all your games each season.
It's NOT that hard.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 11:59 am to xBirdx
quote:That's just it - THERE ARE NOT many if any more qualified and dedicated people to do it. Especially in basketball given some of the stuff going on at games.
Hire another referee to do it. Pay him 75% since no physical work. I bet there are plenty of older guys that would like to be involved, but physically can’t referee, or worried they aren’t experienced enough.. good way to start newer refs as well.
Just a bunch of excuses
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:02 pm to choupiquesushi
Also need two shot clocks per gym
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:35 pm to Kracka
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I personally know one of the worst officials in Louisiana sports history
you would have to break it down to
is he/she alive or dead
is he/she still active or inactive
there are simply too many choices for me to make a guess
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:44 pm to S
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Shot clock should be mandatory.
I’m not just being a contrarian and I’m sure this will get a flood of DVs but no shot clock is best. Ball possession is a skill and its use allows a less talented team to compete with a bigger/faster team. If a team doesn’t like it then they should cause turnovers. A clock is more for the spectators’ enjoyment than for the players…who cares about making HS basketball appeal to more spectators at the expense of dramatically changing the rules.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 1:07 pm to LCLa
1. every school would have to purchase shot clocks, either the ones mounted on the scoreboards, mounted to the top of the backboards or the mobile ones that you put on the ground. a school would need probably an extra shot clock in reserve in case one breaks.
2. every school would have to pay an extra official to run it for varsity games - $15 mileage, $35 per varsity game
3. if you dont use them at subvarsity level, then varsity teams are playing by one set of rules and JV/Fresh are playing by another set of rules
4. Reff Associations are already shorthanded and are now sending 4 officials to a varsity site - 3 man crew on the floor plus shot clock operator
5. on a three game night (BJV or GJV/GV/BV) typically reffs work two man in the JV game and three man in the Varsity game. However the shotclock would require 4 reffs be on site and cost the school an additional $60
6. reff associations would have to provide training and certification to the new reffs for shot clock operator. To make it impartial, the shot clock operator would have to be assigned by the Reff Assignment secretary and be content with giving up three hours (minimum) of their life to make $45 if they only worked one game that night
7. I worked the Girls AAU National Championships in Lafayette years ago and the shot clocks were a disaster. They were the small temp ones on the ground, there was a shortage of people that knew the rules but the worst part was the controversies over correctly and incorrectly resetting the clock routinely caused the games to come to a screeching halt.
2. every school would have to pay an extra official to run it for varsity games - $15 mileage, $35 per varsity game
3. if you dont use them at subvarsity level, then varsity teams are playing by one set of rules and JV/Fresh are playing by another set of rules
4. Reff Associations are already shorthanded and are now sending 4 officials to a varsity site - 3 man crew on the floor plus shot clock operator
5. on a three game night (BJV or GJV/GV/BV) typically reffs work two man in the JV game and three man in the Varsity game. However the shotclock would require 4 reffs be on site and cost the school an additional $60
6. reff associations would have to provide training and certification to the new reffs for shot clock operator. To make it impartial, the shot clock operator would have to be assigned by the Reff Assignment secretary and be content with giving up three hours (minimum) of their life to make $45 if they only worked one game that night
7. I worked the Girls AAU National Championships in Lafayette years ago and the shot clocks were a disaster. They were the small temp ones on the ground, there was a shortage of people that knew the rules but the worst part was the controversies over correctly and incorrectly resetting the clock routinely caused the games to come to a screeching halt.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 1:39 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
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Ball possession is a skill
Not holding it for minutes at a time though... blame them for ruining things for everyone else. 40 or 60 seconds is a good shot clock length for high school
Posted on 5/29/25 at 1:46 pm to supatigah
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1. every school would have to purchase shot clocks, either the ones mounted on the scoreboards, mounted to the top of the backboards or the mobile ones that you put on the ground. a school would need probably an extra shot clock in reserve in case one breaks.
2. every school would have to pay an extra official to run it for varsity games - $15 mileage, $35 per varsity game
3. if you dont use them at subvarsity level, then varsity teams are playing by one set of rules and JV/Fresh are playing by another set of rules
4. Reff Associations are already shorthanded and are now sending 4 officials to a varsity site - 3 man crew on the floor plus shot clock operator
5. on a three game night (BJV or GJV/GV/BV) typically reffs work two man in the JV game and three man in the Varsity game. However the shotclock would require 4 reffs be on site and cost the school an additional $60
6. reff associations would have to provide training and certification to the new reffs for shot clock operator. To make it impartial, the shot clock operator would have to be assigned by the Reff Assignment secretary and be content with giving up three hours (minimum) of their life to make $45 if they only worked one game that night
7. I worked the Girls AAU National Championships in Lafayette years ago and the shot clocks were a disaster. They were the small temp ones on the ground, there was a shortage of people that knew the rules but the worst part was the controversies over correctly and incorrectly resetting the clock routinely caused the games to come to a screeching halt.
But hey.....we can just charge a couple extra bucks in admission, and it will scrub all these glaring issues away.....lol
Posted on 5/29/25 at 1:47 pm to choupiquesushi
You don’t think there are enough people interested who just don’t want to actual referee?
Not getting screamed at , disrespected, etc? They just chill at the score table…
I’d do it…. Can’t referee bc of Achilles tear not too long ago, but something like that would appeal to me.
Not getting screamed at , disrespected, etc? They just chill at the score table…
I’d do it…. Can’t referee bc of Achilles tear not too long ago, but something like that would appeal to me.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 1:52 pm to xBirdx
xbirdx join a local fb association to just run the clock . i know they need clock operators
Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:22 pm to Kracka
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But hey.....we can just charge a couple extra bucks in admission, and it will scrub all these glaring issues away.....lol
You mean all those excuses?
Stop with all this bullshite paying an extra guy just for one varsity game. They don't need a shot clock in 9th grade and JV.
It's 2025.
Give one of the refs a remote control that resets the shot clock. Problem solved. Now you don't need an extra ref.
What's your next excuse?
Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:25 pm to alterego55
Where would I start?
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You mean all those excuses?
Stop with all this bullshite paying an extra guy just for one varsity game. They don't need a shot clock in 9th grade and JV.
It's 2025.
Give one of the refs a remote control that resets the shot clock. Problem solved. Now you don't need an extra ref.
What's your next excuse?
So you want one of the reffs calling the game and resetting the shot clock at the same time? Also you want the shot clocks to run wirelessly by remote controls state wide? The remote controlled shot clocks I have seen online are $1200+
I was a HS BBB coach for ten years and an LHSAA basketball reff for 8 years. If you think what I posted were merely excuses then you are lying to yourself.
you simply have to look at the situation from a state wide level. The schools that dont want this come to that decision for different reasons.
Some schools can absorb the shot clock operations and costs no problem. But do they want to? Do they use the spread style offense to their advantage? On the boys side, Liberty and Saint Thomas More come to mind
Some programs are losing money on basketball now, any additional costs might break their program. The worst attended games I have been involved in were Girls in inner city big schools. There was literally no one there.
The LHSBOA is struggling to attract new reffs now just to fillout the games already on the schedule. We are talking about increasing the reff assignment load for varsity games across the state by 25% per night.
Some Reffs I worked with are some of the best people I know, some reffs I worked with are some of the worst and most incompetent people I know. The prospect of adding a 4th person that can impact the game in an official capacity is scary to me.
But that is not the real problem.
The real problem is does this issue constitute an across the board statewide solution that affects Schools, Players, Coaches and Reffs
How many schools actually hold the ball?
is holding the ball affecting the fairness of the game state wide?
How will speeding up the game affect member schools state wide?
Is forcing teams to shoot more under the threat of potential penalty going to make the game better or worse?
if the LHSAA passed this shot clock for varsity only, they would get a flood of complaints and requests from member schools on guidance for compliance.
In other words, “ok we have to do this now. Then Exectuive Committee and Mr Commissioner, HOW do we do this?”
The LHSAA is a Principal's Organization and the Principals make the decisions. For this to be a big enough problem around the state that it takes a statewide mandatory solution is a stretch to me.
This post was edited on 5/29/25 at 3:52 pm
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