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re: Let's do a vote. Death Penalty for Penn State?
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:27 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:27 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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How so?
Dude, really?
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Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:30 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Then why didn't they eat on him in 98? Seems if they really cared about the ramifications to themselves that they would have ended it then and there.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:32 pm to SabiDojo
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Dude, really?
I'm interested in knowing the collateral damage you speak of too?
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:35 pm to dawgfan24348
While the University deserved it at one time, I truly don't see how punishing the people that are there now is appropriate. They fired all the people involved, and yes what happened was horrid. But you have all these kids there and a monster fan base that had nothing to do with any of this that will suffer. IF they didn't fire Joe Pa. then I would say they should get it, but they got rid of everyone involved.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:36 pm to gizmoflak
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but this whole Sandusky scandal goes way beyond the pale - much too far to allow football to continue as normal
How does the death penalty solve that?
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:39 pm to Interception
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I'm interested in knowing the collateral damage you speak of too?
The victims will again become collateral damage because PSU, the institution responsible (NOT JUST THE AD, COACH, ETC.), will continue to run an athletic department that allowed these atrocities to take place, and why? Because the money is too great and because people will try to make the argument that what happened was not "football related" or "a criminal matter only for the courts to decide". Thus, if PSU does not get the death penalty, then the victims will once again become collateral damage because of PSU.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:42 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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How does the death penalty solve that?
solve what?
It's crime and punishment. A crime this severe deserves the harshest punishment. Who said anything about solving anything?
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:43 pm to SabiDojo
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the institution responsible (NOT JUST THE AD, COACH, ETC.), will continue to run an athletic department that allowed these atrocities to take place, and why?
If not just the AD Coach President etc then who specifically allowed it to happen?
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:45 pm to gizmoflak
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It's crime and punishment. A crime this severe deserves the harshest punishment. Who said anything about solving anything?
Ok so who specifically committed the crime? And who specifically is being punished by the death penalty?
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:45 pm to SabiDojo
The victims are going to get paid by the University. The money that the athletic department and football generates will help fund these lawsuits.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:46 pm to gizmoflak
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It's crime and punishment. A crime this severe deserves the harshest punishment. Who said anything about solving anything?
Sandusky is in Jail. Joe Pa is Dead. Everyone else is fired. So how does giving Penn. St. the Death penalty an appropriate punishment? I think what happened is the worst thing ever. But PSU did what it needed to do in Firing Joe Pa. and company when it all came out IMO. Trust me, it wasn't an easy thing to do up there.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:47 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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What about the 3rd string WR that is about to be a senior who has practiced his arse off for 3 years and won't get to go on the field with his parents on senior day? I guess it is fine and dandy to ruin that for him so you can "teach a lesson" to people who are no longer at Penn State.
Let him keep his scholarship and graduate. If he didn't do shite before his senior year, he's not likely to do much his senior year either.
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I also think its hilarious that people think its easy breezy to transfer schools. What schools are going to take transfers at this point?
Let them play this season to give them time, but no bowl eligibility of course. If they're good, they'll be easily transferred.
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What are the odds that a school that will take you even has your major?
Probable
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Are all your credits going to transfer?
I'd like to think so.
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What about the relationships outside of football that you forged you have to just up and leave them behind if you want to continue playing football?
That's just fricking life, man. If you made true friendships, you'll make time to see them again. Half my friends moved out of Beijing this month, and you get over it, keep up with them, and then make new friends. If they can't handle that, then they don't stand a chance in the real world anyway.
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A Penn State football gameday probable creates 1000-800 jobs not to mention the businesses around the area who's business is predicated upon the 100,000 people showing up on those 7 saturdays.
You could use this argument against the War on Drugs. The culture got completely out of control and delusional. There will be some innocent victims but we need to kill the weed by the root. Simply cutting it isn't going to do shite.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:47 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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If not just the AD Coach President etc then who specifically allowed it to happen?
You are focusing too much on the liability of precise actors, but you are failing to see that the problems at PSU are systemic. The culture at PSU has to change, and I don't think that the culture can change if they are allowed to continue participating in collegiate athletics, at least not right now.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:50 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Ok so who specifically committed the crime?
fiduciaries of PSU at various levels from the top down
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And who specifically is being punished by the death penalty?
PSU
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:53 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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So he came to practice every day and worked his arse off for 3 years only to have his senior season taken away in an attempt to "send a message" to people who aren't at Penn State?
Dude, get out in the real world. Life isn't fair. Ask Sandusky's victims and they'll tell you. So we should never fire people just because it's unfair to them as their families? So what, the guy doesn't get to collect dust on the bench anymore while his friends play tag. Let him keep his scholarship, graduate, and move on with his life. He's going to have this lesson taught to him one way or another.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:54 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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While the University deserved it at one time, I truly don't see how punishing the people that are there now is appropriate. They fired all the people involved, and yes what happened was horrid. But you have all these kids there and a monster fan base that had nothing to do with any of this that will suffer.
1. You and I have very different understandings of the word "suffer."
2. Many of those innocent fans and current students RIOTED when their fricking football coach got fired, damaging property in the process. You don't think those overgrown children need a strong wake-up call to get their damned priorities in order?
Shouldn't be a NCAA Death Penalty, but Pennsylvania authorities need to shut down football for 2 years to clean house and start over.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:55 pm to tiggerthetooth
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How about putting into perspective that football is not a right but a privilege, and that children suffered by the University's hands of this privilege. As long as you care remotely about football considering the situation, then you are always wrong IMO. Football shouldn't be something anyone gives a shite about at that cesspool of an institution. That is if they truly understand the scope of what exactly happened.
Perfectly stated. They act as if Football is a god given right and it is bigger than just a game. To some extent it is, but not to the point that we shouldn't remotely tolerate an institution sacrificing children to preserve it.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:56 pm to Interception
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The victims are going to get paid by the University. The money that the athletic department and football generates will help fund these lawsuits.
So who are the victims suing exactly? The people they are suing are giving them money sue them? Something doesnt add up here.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:00 am to PowerTool
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2. Many of those innocent fans and current students RIOTED when their fricking football coach got fired, damaging property in the process
Joe Pa had been there forever and they thought he was getting railroaded. IT wasn't the L.A. riots.
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You don't think those overgrown children need a strong wake-up call to get their damned priorities in order?
Les Miles could assassinate the president on the 50 yard line during the Alabama game and our fan base would try to succeed from the union at the notion of the death penalty came about for it.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:04 am to Palm Beach Tiger
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succeed
*secede
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