re: Lebron now has missed more shots than anyone in NBA history

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Here’s some individual accolades for you. Only 4 players in NBA history have been named 1st Team All Defense 9 (NINE) times:
Kevin Garnett
Gary Payton
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant

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Kobe's 9 Defensive 1st teams, is probably the best evidence of him being overrated. No matter what metric that isolates defense you use, RAPM, BPM, RPM, Raptor, Darko, Defensive Win-Share Per 48, etc., Kobe is an average to below average defender throughout his career.

For example, let's use 28 year RAPM, which is considered the gold-standard for measuring impact, particularly on defense. Here are the career defensive RAPM (positive to denote better than average and negative to denote worse than average), per 100 possessions of those 4 players listed above plus Lebron.

Garnett +6.4
LeBron +2.8
Jordan +1.7
Payton +0.6
Kobe -1.3

Now lets use BPM, which is just based on Box Score Data, rather than RAPM, which is based solely on play-by-play data and lineups. A lot of metrics incorporate both to get more reliable data year to year. This has the benefit of adjusting for position since some positions are more impactful, particularly in the box score, but that might not be the best measure of a

Garnett +2.1
Jordan +2.0
LeBron +1.7
Payton +0.5
Kobe -0.1

Now let's use DARKO, which tracks career trajectory, but the dataset is more recent historically, so it only gets the tail ends of Payton and Jordan's career. But using the other 3, you can see a pretty dramatic difference:



We can go through many more statistics using all different types of data, and none of them point to Kobe being anything more than an average, at best, defender overall. Maybe you could make a case for a couple 1st team all defensive teams, but that's about it. And that's giving him the benefit of the doubt. 9 is just laughably unsupported.

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Only one guy on both those lists above

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Bill Russell led the all-time leader NBA Champs, The BOSTON CELTICS, to 11 of their 18 titles.

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NBA MVP:Won five times, including 1958, 1961-63, and 1965
NBA championships: Won 11, including eight consecutive titles from 1959 to 1966
NBA All-Star: Selected 12 times
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year: Won in 1968
The Sporting News Athlete of the Decade: Won in 1970
1955 NCAA Tournament Most Outstanding Player: Won
2019 NBA Lifetime Achievement Award: Received

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Didn't Babe Ruth hold the strikeout record for a while?

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Reggie Jackson has it now.

Cy Young has the most losses.

Phil Jackson's Lakers gave offensive freedom to Kobe .

Regular season numbers from 1999-00 to 2001-02

Kobe 25ppg 5.7rpg 5.1apg
Shaq 28ppg 12.3rpg 3.5apg


2002-03 to 2003-04

Kobe 26.9ppg 6.1rpg 5.6apg
Shaq 21.2ppg 11.6rpg 2.9apg

They needed each other...

So Derek Fisher is on par with Kobe right?

Too soon?

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There is not a more overrated player in nba history than Kobe Bryant

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Like 70% of LeBron points are dunks. Hard to miss those. Kobe was an actual shooter lol

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the fact his post STILL has more upvotes than downvotes despite the fact that someone pointed out Lebron has a higher fg% from every depth on the floor is why you should treat downvotes on this site as a sign you are correct haha

folks would rather hear lies that they agree with than face the truth.

Whatever you labeled him it's not as negative as you want it to be nor as funny as hoped it to be!!

The missed field goals list is full of very good and great NBA players including the 2 previous longtime career total points leaders.

Any list that includes:: Wilt,West,Oscar,Elgin,Elvin,Hakeem,Timmy,Hondo,Malone, Kareem,Dirk,Nique is GOOD NOT BAD!!!

What's the common thread for you Kobe haters and you non factor, unreliable options in your basketball careers??


You had to be the man!

You had to be TOP 2 OPTIONS!

You had to come off the bench cold and provide instant offense.

You had to want to and be able to shoot and score when teammates wouldn't and couldn't at a high rate and percentage .

You had to be willing to take shots and not worry about your percentage and misses although you wanted to convert everything, every single time you shot.

So for people that thinks it's a flex to rail on Kobe,LBJ,Iverson, Mello,Younger Westbrook....it's not!

These dudes are professional scorers..

Many good and great college scorers can't score consistently in the NBA.

Not many people are Wilt and Kareem that score efficiently and are both scorers and shooters...

Those 2 wouldn't have put all time great career numbers if they were worried about missing shots..