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Largest media markets without a P4 football program

Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:50 pm
Posted by McMillan
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:50 pm
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Posted by danilo
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:52 pm to
Do Cleveland people pull for Ohio State? And Philly people for Penn State?
Posted by saintsfan92612
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:54 pm to
It is so weird to count these things this way

Cleveland is all OSU
Philadelphia is massively PSU
New York doesn't give a shite about Rutgers

That like saying LSU isn't in the New Orleans market
Posted by Jebadeb
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:55 pm to
This is kind of silly because colleges are historically not located in major cities.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:17 pm to
This list is stupid. Fanbases in all of those cities except for Hartford already have P4 programs an hour or 2 away that most of the locals root for. Does whoever made this list think that Cleveland has more Akron Zips fans than Ohio State fans? Or that Tampa isn't Gator territory? Or that San Antonio fans are rooting for UTSA over the Longhorns? Charlotte split between UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, and USCe?


Posted by Raoul Stimulato
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:35 pm to
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Do Cleveland people pull for Ohio State?


Cleveland is all Ohio State.

Cincinnati, conversely, is a very divided college town. Tons of anti-Ohio State sentiment, w some support there.

But Cincinnati, Xavier, Notre Dame (Cincy is very catholic), and even Indiana and Kentucky factor in
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 2:36 pm
Posted by tide06
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:42 pm to
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Cincinnati, conversely, is a very divided college town.

I mean its an actual border town, that makes sense.

Heck you're slightly closer to Lexington, KY than you are Columbus, OH if I'm not mistaken.
Posted by Raoul Stimulato
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:45 pm to
Exactly. It’s adjacent to a ton of huge fanbases. Allegiance is chopped up for sure.

Proctor and Gamble brings in a ton of transplants as well from the tri-state area
Posted by AUFANATL
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:07 pm to
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Charlotte split between UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, and USCe?


Charlotte has a ton of West Virginia fans. The research triangle grads tend to disseminate throughout the country and the ones who stay in NC care more about basketball. But for some reason West Virginia fans all seem to migrate to Charlotte and they bring all of their bad habits out on gameday.

Posted by tigeroarz1
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:14 pm to
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Charlotte split between UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, and USCe?
Wake doesn’t have fans. Add Clemson in the mix. Same distance from Charlotte as USC and both Clemson and Charlotte are on the I-85 corridor.
Posted by RoyalAir
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:20 pm to
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Charlotte split between UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, and USCe?


I think Charlotte has the highest concentration of SC grads outside of South Carolina in the country.

DC and Atlanta are close. NYC is up there, too.
Posted by VolsOut4Harambe
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:21 pm to
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Charlotte split between UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, and USCe?


Charlotte is mostly UNC, USCjr, or Clemson.

Not many Wake fans outside of the Triangle, and everyone hates Duke.
Posted by UncleLester
West of the Mississippi
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:25 pm to
Who the hell is claiming to be the NYC P4 team?
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:25 pm to
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Charlotte split between UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, and USCe?

Charlotte has a ton of Clemson fans. Also a city with a bunch of N.C. State and Appalachian State fans.
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 3:28 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:27 pm to
Rutgers very technically. The same way Houston and SMU take care of it for Dallas and Houston

But should also also show why this is dumb. What major cities in this country actually have these schools to a material degree? LA and Miami and then....? Would we say Austin and/or Seattle apply here cause I wouldn't call either a major urban city on the same level as like Miami and/or LA but maybe im wrong

Tempe is essential Phoenix so I'd add that. LA, Miami, Atlanta, and Phoenix are probably the only 4. Northwestern technically works for Chicago i guess but there are probably more ND fans in Chicago than Northwestern

2nd thought can remove Atlanta to since I have a hard time believing GT is any different. So probably just LA, Miami, and maybe Phoenix
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 3:34 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:31 pm to
What’s the cut off?

Why does Rutgers count for NYC but not any of the florida schools for Tampa or Ohio State for Cleveland?
Posted by genro
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:32 pm to
meanwhile Troy, AL population 17,000 gets to go to bowl games and host super regionals
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:39 pm to
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2nd thought can remove Atlanta to since I have a hard time believing GT is any different. 


I'm not sure I understand your point. GT is absolutely in Atlanta - it's smack in the middle of the west side of Midtown. And GT is in the ACC, which is considered P4. Or are you saying that Atlanta isn't an urban city?

I'm really turned around here.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:44 pm to
I'm saying that you have urban cities that have these schools but they themselves are still after thoughts in them which seems to me what actually matters. Like Chicago and Northwestern or, maybe im wrong, Atlanta and Georgia Tech

The only ones I can think of off the top of my head, true major urban population centers with in market schools that the population cares about, are LA and Miami and maybe Phoenix
Posted by jchamil
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:56 pm to
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Tempe is essential Phoenix so I'd add that. LA, Miami, Atlanta, and Phoenix are probably the only 4. Northwestern technically works for Chicago i guess but there are probably more ND fans in Chicago than Northwestern


Vandy in Nashville, although Vandy is definitely second to UT and probably behind some other SEC schools there as well
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