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re: Kids getting held back for sports

Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:42 am to
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:42 am to
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My question is why are parents down with it? Why would a parent of a 5th grade kid agree to hold their kid back so that when they’re a senior in high school they can help the program?



The only way I can see this is if their kid has some slight emotional or developmental delays. I took an additional grade between kindergarden and first grade because I wasn't ready for first grade, and I think it benefited me in school.
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:45 am to
True. Hopefully with the weight room, team workouts, and nutrition they provide in the SEC he’ll transform into one though. He needs 30 lbs of muscle.
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:48 am to
In MS you have 4 to play 4…starting in 9th. My son should have played HS his 8th grade year…but he was the Jr High QB and the school was all in on developing him there.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:50 am to
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True. Hopefully with the weight room, team workouts, and nutrition they provide in the SEC he’ll transform into one though. He needs 30 lbs of muscle.


he could have done that in now. nothing special about SEC weight programs...it isnt like they are individualized.

should have asked for advice, could have helped and turned you onto some world class trainers to help
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:54 am to
He’s got two years to put weight on, his goal is to kickoff to in his first SEC game…but he’s just not there physically. He’ll make a push. He competes all off-season, so football season is really the time to put weight on.

We’ll take any advice. Fully needs a nutritionist and a trainer.

Kept #1 in the country…official yesterday.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 7:56 am
Posted by New Money
Athens, GA
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:00 am to
I missed the birthday cutoff for registration by three days and had to wait a year to start school. I turned six just after starting kindergarten.

I was the oldest person in my class who had not been held back. It didn't help me at all with athletics because I was still so slow that you could time me with a calendar.

Posted by Dixie Normus
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:09 am to
With my daughter I’m on the fence about it. She has a September birthday so it’s not really delaying anything—she’ll just go from being the youngest to the oldest.

For boys, I think I will start them a year late. I was a late bloomer and would have probably benefitted from an extra year of social/emotional/physical development. Sports is somewhat of a tangential consideration because boys derive so much self-worth and confidence over athleticism (at least me and my friends did). It’s more about the emotional side of being a little more developed for boys rather than just being a starter on the ball team though. I just think it can’t hurt.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:21 am to
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He competes all off-season, so football season is really the time to put weight on.


stop competing if what is holding him back is actually physical development. see this all the time in baseball....kids needs to gain weight to push his game to the next level but he is too busy "competing" to focus on the weight room so he remains stagnant.

quote:

We’ll take any advice. Fully needs a nutritionist and a trainer.


in your case, you need to look at power athlete. has he run a true linear progression program before? if not, he needs to start at the bedrock program. if he has, he needs to move to the field strong program

LINK

as far as nutrition...he is a high school kid, he doesnt need a damn nutritionist, thats stupid. he needs to eat more. I suggest downloading the macrofactor app and doing the subscription to that. he just needs to get about 1lbs of protein per lbs of bodyweight and then hit his calorie goals. the app will adjust based on weigh ins.



other simple ways

follow 531 boring but big and the diet

531 building the monolith and the diet

follow madcow plus the diet



and here are some easy cheaper options

follow one of the pen and paper strength programs, i would suggest brickhouse, strongville, meat wagon, lets get peachy, periodic table of thickness, or house of the rising buns

and then follow the pen and paper diet eating thick

LINK
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:23 am to
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With my daughter I’m on the fence about it. She has a September birthday so it’s not really delaying anything—she’ll just go from being the youngest to the oldest.


hold her back. best thing we ever did with my middle who is sept birthday

quote:

For boys, I think I will start them a year late. I was a late bloomer and would have probably benefitted from an extra year of social/emotional/physical development. Sports is somewhat of a tangential consideration because boys derive so much self-worth and confidence over athleticism (at least me and my friends did). It’s more about the emotional side of being a little more developed for boys rather than just being a starter on the ball team though. I just think it can’t hurt.



just start them and tell them from the start, they are too young and will have to repeat a grade eventually. thats what we did and their was zero heart burn when we held mine back in 1st grade

now he is in 5th and begging to be held back again strictly for sports. had to tell him no
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:30 am to
Didn’t really have the option of not competing…and to do so you do pre-competition camps, and qualifying camps…then you train on your own in prep of the competitions.

They start workouts today, so hopefully after talking to many, many SEC coaches he gets the point. If he doesn’t win the kickoff job they have to pay someone to come in and do it…they don’t want that.

He’s no where near his required protein numbers. He leaves food on his plate.

Thanks for the info.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 8:31 am
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:33 am to
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He’s no where near his required protein numbers. He leaves food on his plate.


that is the issue

should be shooting for 75g protein and 1000 calories before 9am every day.

he ahs to look at training and diet as part of the deal. want to be elite....takes what it takes, period.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:44 am to
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after talking to many, many SEC coaches


There’s only 14 of them

And I just searched the top kickers in the nation and none were from Mississippi. J/S

Most of the top prospects are preferred walk on’s. Kickers are an easy to get. They can find one in the transfer portal, find a foreign kids that grew up playing soccer, or grab your back up fullback and teach him how to kick
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 8:53 am
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:46 am to
He ate three microwaved pancakes and a Yoohoo fir breakfast…mom woke him up with caramel frappuccino. So yea…we could do much better.
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:56 am to
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son will graduate at 17 so he has an extra year to be all of your son’s boss
better be smarter than you are
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:06 am to

I think Evangel had a paid full time Recruiting Coordinator.
Posted by double d
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:07 am to
Back when I started school the birthday cutoff was later in the year to start school than it is now. Having a late birthday I was 17 most of my first semester of college. Being held back in elementary school would have been good for me physically since I hit a big spurt after my 17th birthday.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41694 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:08 am to
He met and kicked for 5 of them.

Where are you looking to find information on kickers? SEC schools absolutely scholarship high school kickers…easy find…we’ll see where LSU and Alabama are in the next couple of years with these ‘easy finds’.

https://www.kohlskicking.com/national-player-ratings/kickers/2025
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:13 am to
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its teh educated parents and the upper middle class/wealthy that do this. many always have. sets the kids up for success in academics, sports and overall in life.
then on the other end of the spectrum you have kids who fail in elementary school
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:14 am to
Gotcha so he’s going into his Jr year

What’s his ACT/SAT?
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 9:18 am to
I didn't hold mine back after they started but I did start them later. I went to college when I was 17. I was too young. Boys do better if you do this and not for sports.

Malcomb Gladwell wrote a book called "Outliers". He goes in to detail about age and accomplishment. It's a good read.
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