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re: Kansas is ready for Friday's Border War
Posted on 9/7/26 at 3:49 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Posted on 9/7/26 at 3:49 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Missouri should be forced to change their name to Bushwhackers since that was what people from Missouri who sympathized with the confederacy and invaded Kansas was called.
Border ruffians
Posted on 9/7/26 at 8:28 pm to HeLeakin
Posted on 9/7/26 at 9:46 pm to Drydock
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The Jayhawkers never freed a single damn slave
I’m not going to defend everything they did, but this is factually wrong. They 100% freed slaves. The Sacking of Osceola freed over 200 slaves, and there were smaller operations that also had success.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 9:53 pm to HeLeakin
I have to admit I am a little shocked and awed by KU pushing the Civil War theme. Especially in this day and time. I like it.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 11:28 pm to CR4090
It’s a rivalry between two historically mid tier teams. Was kind of fun a few times for basketball. And a fake one in modern sports considering the conference shifts. Reminds me of Nebraska and Colorado. Hatred from a bygone era.
I will say though, one of the coolest sporting moments I’ve ever witnessed in person is T Rob blocking Presseys shot in Allen Field House to go to overtime and keep the Big 12 streak alive.
I will say though, one of the coolest sporting moments I’ve ever witnessed in person is T Rob blocking Presseys shot in Allen Field House to go to overtime and keep the Big 12 streak alive.
Posted on 9/8/26 at 12:55 am to HeLeakin
That 2007 game #2 vs #3 game had some hype to it at the time
Posted on 9/8/26 at 1:27 am to cajuntiger1010
Isn't Kansas nototiously hated by basically everyone who participated in the Civil War? Hell, even the Union didn't even really claim them.
Basically just ultra left wing murdering terrorist groups, no?
Basically just ultra left wing murdering terrorist groups, no?
Posted on 9/8/26 at 7:27 am to MightyJoeYoung
everything from missouri has a taint about it.
Posted on 9/8/26 at 10:52 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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The Jayhawks short for Jayhawkers were militant anti-slavery
correction. They were anti-black. They did not want slavery in kansas because they wanted to keep blacks out of the state. They even went to the extent of trying to create kansas laws prevent free blacks from entering the state. They were racist to extreme levels.
Posted on 9/8/26 at 10:54 am to WuShock
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I’m not going to defend everything they did, but this is factually wrong. They 100% freed slaves. The Sacking of Osceola freed over 200 slaves, and there were smaller operations that also had success.
The vast majority of attacks in cedar county missouri and surrounding areas targeted missourians that owned 0 slaves. Ask me how I know.
Posted on 9/8/26 at 12:35 pm to notsince98
I already said I wouldn’t defend everything they did, but you can’t backtrack now. You said no slaves were freed at all which isn’t true.
They 100% attacked Confederacy sympathizers who didn’t own slaves. They shouldn’t have done everything they did. At the same time, you can’t ignore the magnitude of Quantrill’s Raid and other actions from the Bushwackers. Attacking the Kansas side’s actions without acknowledging what the Missouri side did doesn’t absolve the Missouri side’s actions.
Both sides did despicable things. Innocent blood was shed on both sides, which is a big reason why the hatred still exists. You are also right about the anti-black piece, but that doesn’t apply to John Brown and his group. It did apply to a large portion of the rest of the state, though.
They 100% attacked Confederacy sympathizers who didn’t own slaves. They shouldn’t have done everything they did. At the same time, you can’t ignore the magnitude of Quantrill’s Raid and other actions from the Bushwackers. Attacking the Kansas side’s actions without acknowledging what the Missouri side did doesn’t absolve the Missouri side’s actions.
Both sides did despicable things. Innocent blood was shed on both sides, which is a big reason why the hatred still exists. You are also right about the anti-black piece, but that doesn’t apply to John Brown and his group. It did apply to a large portion of the rest of the state, though.
This post was edited on 9/8/26 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 9/8/26 at 12:38 pm to HeLeakin
You've gotta love the edgelord antifa dipshits who worship John Brown. "I don't argue with people who John Brown would've shot." The first person he shot at Harpers Ferry was a free black guy.
Posted on 9/8/26 at 1:23 pm to WuShock
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They 100% attacked Confederacy sympathizers who didn’t own slaves
And they attacked northern sympathizers that owned no slaves. Do you know what the two groups had in common that were attacked by jayhawks?
Posted on 9/8/26 at 5:24 pm to notsince98
I already said that they did things that were despicable. You’re acting like it was the majority of the group when there were rogue groups and guerrilas that at would do these things as Jayhawkers. Yet you’re ignoring that the Bushwhackers were just as bad and led a full scale invasion where they burned a city down and killed over 200 unarmed people, which was largest-scale attack in the entire Border War.
Posted on 9/8/26 at 5:36 pm to WuShock
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Yet you’re ignoring that the Bushwhackers were just as bad and led a full scale invasion where they burned a city down and killed over 200 unarmed people, which was largest-scale attack in the entire Border War.
I am aware of the Sack of Lawrence, but what is this? No one was killed in that incident. Can you link the one you’re referencing?
Posted on 9/8/26 at 7:23 pm to WuShock
I suspect the reason it was not left to history was that Kansas had to adopt the damned terrorists as their mascot, then come up with a cutesy little cartoon bird to try and cover it up.
Posted on 9/8/26 at 8:29 pm to High C
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Missouri should be forced to change their name to Bushwhackers
Ironically, MU chose what seems like a mundane mascot name like the Tigers because the home guard/ militia for Columbia and the state capital in Jefferson City were known to fight like “ Tigers” and not a ragtag group of farmers & merchants.
I grew up in KC and my parents house sits within three blocks of the actual state line. I went to high school right on the state line.. my Godfather is in the KU Hall of Fame for baseball. My maternal side is all from Kansas..
That being said for having lived in Columbia for the past 30 years, the rivalry in the KC area could be best described as grab-arse and good natured, taunting. In the more rural areas that hatred runs deep and is encoded in blood. Just 12/15 minutes north of Columbia is Centralia, Missouri. Centralia was a hot bed of a rallying point for Captain Quantrell and his men when they were out doing their thing just like in the movie “The Outlaw Josie Wales” Union soldiers came in and raped wives and daughters, hung grandfathers and brothers, and destroyed that rural community. To this day they remember!
One of the coolest things within the last 10 years a really bad tornadic storm blew through and knocked down an old hay barn, sure enough, in the foundation & ruins they found a trove of documentation, Confederate, money & coins, and an ammunition stash that has Provonce back to Captain Quantrell and his Raiders.
Posted on 9/9/26 at 8:18 am to WuShock
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You’re acting like it was the majority of the group
Because it undeniably was.
Bushwhackers were defenders. It was an ultimate FAFO for kansans.
Posted on 9/9/26 at 9:17 am to notsince98
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You’re acting like it was the majority of the group
Because it undeniably was.
Bushwhackers were defenders. It was an ultimate FAFO for kansans.
One thing I know being a life long resident of Missouri is most public schools don't teach the truth or the details of what was occurring in the mid 1850's during the Border War between MO and KS. The first shots and skirmishes that led up to the Civil War began in MO.....long before Fort Sumter.

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