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re: June 4th Dark Side of the Ring -Who Killed WCW?

Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:30 am to
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:30 am to
Yep 98 was the high point financially for WCW but it starts going down....rather precipitously afterwards.
Posted by HeLeakin
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:45 am to
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6852 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:03 pm to
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I always thought that the biggest issue, beyond booking or any of the nonsense NWO storylines, was that WCW kept hiring away WWF top guys to diminishing returns, the guys who were increasingly past their primes and were planted at the top of the card limiting opportunities for young talent.


One thing about this point is it also highlights a lot of WWE revisionist history. The story Bischoff always tells is that Ted Turner came to him and said “what do we have to do to beat WWE?” The narrative is that Ted wanted to crush Vince, and Bischoff was the genius who did more with less.

This is true to a degree, but IMO it way oversells how much Ted Turner actually cared. If he wanted to, he could have written a check and stolen any/all of WWE’s top guys, but he didn’t. In terms of money and resources, WCW was the Goliath in the story.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 5:04 pm to
I am confused, besides looking old and rough how does that video show he is on fent?
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:57 pm to
Where is this streaming?

MAX?
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
11769 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:55 pm to
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Was or is still on Fent?


I thought Nash has been big on getting and staing clean and CBD therapy?


Something sure has him tranqed out. I know he's older but he's sounding Joe Biden level in all these different wrestling shows the last couple of years
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 7:56 am to
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Sting


quote:

most overrated wrestler of all time

Who would say some dumb shite like this?


quote:

JamalMurry27

Checks out.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
77228 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:17 am to
Sting and Lex Luger were both very underrated.
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
11769 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 5:05 pm to
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Something sure has him tranqed out. I know he's older but he's sounding Joe Biden level in all these different wrestling shows the last couple of years


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WWE Hall Of Famer Kevin Nash Says He Was Stoned For Who Killed WCW Series


LINK
Posted by tigerfan84
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 6/15/24 at 8:52 pm to
Episode 1

Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/15/24 at 8:56 pm to
I’d possibly give up a pinky digit chopped off to spend a week stoned and partying with Kevin Nash.
Posted by tigerfan84
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 6/22/24 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by tigerfan84
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Posted on 6/22/24 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by cardswinagain
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Posted on 6/22/24 at 5:05 pm to
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6852 posts
Posted on 6/22/24 at 8:22 pm to
I feel like Bischoff is being more humble and self aware in this series because he knew they were going to interview Russo too, and he was going to show how bat shite crazy he is.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
39719 posts
Posted on 6/22/24 at 8:38 pm to
I grew up in the heart of Jim Crockett Promotions, which later became WCW. There's a lot of blame to go around, but JCP/WCW was perfect as a smaller and more authentic rasslin' company. I truly believe JCP in the 1980's was the pinnacle of professional wrestling in this country. The problem they had was going national. Not that they couldn't do shows in other places, but they wanted to be a national competitor to Vince McMahon without realizing what that entailed.

And going national meant developing newer storylines that the loyal fans of the Carolinas thought were ridiculous. You took believable storylines like Dusty vs. Tully, the Midnight Express vs. the Rock N Roll Express and Sting vs. Flair and replaced it with Robocop and vignettes of Harley Race, Sid Vicious and Vader trying to blow up Sting and Davey Boy on a Florida beach. Then you had Hogan come in 1994 and the cartoon stuff got even worse with the Dungeon of Doom. Had WCW been content being a Southern regional wrestling show, I think it could have survived much longer than it did.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
4516 posts
Posted on 6/22/24 at 9:16 pm to
The rasslin bubble had burst by spring of 2001. Even UPN didn't want anymore programming after Vince bought WCW and was trying to run a 3rd weekly show.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
4516 posts
Posted on 6/22/24 at 9:20 pm to
One of the worst "...on a pole" matches I ever saw was in WCW years before Russo got there. John Tenta and Boss Man (or whatever he was called in WCW) had to fight to climb a pole and grab a roll of "Carson City Silver Dollars" (I'll never understand why it was specifically Carson City since this was a PPV in Florida). So you've got 2 fat guys who can't climb a pole but fortunately the coin roll fell down on its own.
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6852 posts
Posted on 6/22/24 at 10:10 pm to
Hogan telling the best midcard in wrestling history “they can cruiser wait, brother” is my favorite part of WCW lore.
Posted by MSUDawg98
Ravens Flock
Member since Jan 2018
11566 posts
Posted on 6/22/24 at 10:53 pm to
VICE has killed wrestling/Dark Side documentaries. DSOTR stumbled a bit this year and isn't helped by the network using "Dark Side" for every documentary they use to shite talk.

What killed WCW? Anyone around at that time can tell you in 4 words...The AOL-TimeWarner merger.
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