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re: Julio or A. Brown?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:32 am to boXerrumble
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:32 am to boXerrumble
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Brown would've
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if
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please keep posting this bullshite.
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:35 am to Kodar
You forgot the most important stat... Antonio Brown has to deal with Todd Haley playcalling.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:38 am to KillerNut9
quote:Added.
You forgot the most important stat... Antonio Brown has to deal with Todd Haley playcalling.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:48 am to boXerrumble
Julio
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:50 am to Kodar
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BTW, the regular season matters too.
Good God,when did I say it wasn't?
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that's just trying to discredit a guy with a ludicrously small sample size, which is what you're trying to do.
ONCE AGAIN,for the third freakin time it was PART of an arguement for pros and cons for each player and playoff performance was PART of the list.
It would be stupid to judge an ENTIRE season off a small sample but I didn't do that.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:54 am to RD Dawg
quote:You did not explicitly say so, but you've been basing the majority of your argument so far on playoff performance.
Good God,when did I say it wasn't?
quote:You are right, the playoff is indeed PART of the list, but why are you arguing as if playoff performance IS the list?
ONCE AGAIN,for the third freakin time it was PART of an arguement for pros and cons for each player and playoff performance was PART of the list.
It would be stupid to judge an ENTIRE season off a small sample but I didn't do that.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:58 am to snizzle
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If health wasn't an issue Julio all day.
but it is.....
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:58 am to Kodar
Julio
Alabama fan and Falcon fan/Atlanta resident here, but no bias.
Alabama fan and Falcon fan/Atlanta resident here, but no bias.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:05 am to Kodar
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You did not explicitly say so, but you've been basing the majority of your argument so far on playoff performance.
Not all.i just got a majority of responses for that particular point.Also said he was a better blocker but
Nobody took issue with that point.
I also think a solid arguement can be made for both.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:09 am to RD Dawg
This is a frankly idiotic post about this. Is Chris Hogan now one of the best WRs in the NFL because he had a 180 yard game in the playoffs? Ironically, he did his against a far better secondary, because Green Bay possibly has the worst seconday to ever see a conference championship game.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:14 am to Jcorye1
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This is a frankly idiotic post about this.
Franky,you are a complete idiot if thatswhat you think my point was.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:16 am to RD Dawg
Frankly, you're coming across as neither intelligent nor unbiased.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:19 am to Jcorye1
I think Julio is an absolute beast (better than AB if health were guaranteed), but I'm not exactly fawning over a 180 yard performance against the 2nd worst secondary in the entire league.
Hell, Adam Thielen put up 200 yards against them.
ETA: There are legitimate arguments in favor of Julio, but using a 5 game sample size (3 of which Julio didn't break 70 yards) isn't one of them.
Hell, Adam Thielen put up 200 yards against them.
ETA: There are legitimate arguments in favor of Julio, but using a 5 game sample size (3 of which Julio didn't break 70 yards) isn't one of them.
quote:Looking back, this comment is pretty funny.
wouldn't you agree that a teams and the AFC's leading reciever having a 100 yerds is somewhat expected?
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 11:31 am
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:21 am to RD Dawg
You literally asked if Brown every had a 180 yard reception game. This implies you believe it gives Jones a step up on Brown, so I countered your awful argument with the Patriots 3rd or 4th option having basically the same statistical day you are lauding Jones for.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:23 am to StrongBackWeakMind
If they were both healty all of the time, WR-wise Julio would probably be better (we don't always hear about the nagging injuries and such of all players so I don't want to say 100%) but he puts the ball on the ground at a higher rate, and doesn't play special teams. All around package, I'd still take Brown.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:54 am to Kodar
Cannot go wrong with either.
Interesting, the consensus top 3 WR in the NFL are Julio, AB, and OBJ, with two of them being under 6 ft tall. There was a time not too long ago that many did not think you could be an elite WR and less than 6 ft tall.
Interesting, the consensus top 3 WR in the NFL are Julio, AB, and OBJ, with two of them being under 6 ft tall. There was a time not too long ago that many did not think you could be an elite WR and less than 6 ft tall.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 12:02 pm to BhamDore
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Julio still has so many explosive plays.
His non diva attitude cost him redzone TDs though. He obviously excels when they go to him in the redzone, but he doesn't command the ball. I wouldn't mind if he became a little more vocal regards to the red area. His skill obviously warrants more attempts.
Over the last 3 years Brown has 15 non-redzone TDs in 47 games - .32/game. Julio Jones has 9 non-redzone TDs in 45 games - .2/game. Not only is Brown more likely than Jones to score a TD from OUTSIDE the redzone, he's also more likely to score a TD in the redzone as well - .43 TDs/game compared to .24 TDs/game for Jones.
Jones is explosive, but the bottom line is he simply does not put the ball in the endzone enough to warrant the nod over Brown. Even if you want to argue Brown gets significantly more redzone targets - and he does - he still has more TDs/target than Jones. In the last 3 years, Brown puts the ball in the endzone every 3.7 targets in the redzone and every 30.7 targets outside the redzone. Jones scores every 4.1 targets in the redzone and every 50 targets outside of the redzone. That is a problem you cannot ignore.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 12:05 pm to Kodar
Antonio Brown.
He torched Denver's secondary, while Julio Jones has never done anything against them.
He torched Denver's secondary, while Julio Jones has never done anything against them.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 12:34 pm to boXerrumble
Twice as many fumbles.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 12:35 pm to OMapologist
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Look at the last 2-3 seasons and they are not that far off. A.B has an admittedly large TD advantage, but Yards/Game goes to Julio each of the last 3 seasons.
Brown has played 5 games in the last 3 seasons without Ben Roethlisberger @ QB and 42 games with him. Jones has played all 45 games in the last 3 seasons with Matt Ryan. If you look at games with their starting QBs only, Brown has 4475 yards in 42 games, 106.5/game, and all 35 of his TDs have come in those 42 games with Ben. Jones has 4873 in 45 games, 108.3/game, and 20 TDs.
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