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re: John Calipari the next coach of the New York Knicks?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:42 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:42 pm to tiggerthetooth
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More difficult conference than Conf-USA back when Cal coached. Pastner is also only 36, and Cal was 41 when he started at Memphis.
Cal had also already built Umass into a contender before that.
Why hasn't Rick Barnes or Scott Drew won anything? Both of them have had tons of talent over the years.
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:46 pm to Tennessee Jed
Pastner has coached two players that have played in the NBA, Elliot Williams and Will Barton. Big difference between getting five stars and getting top five players. Memphis hasn't been all that talented.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:54 pm to floridatigah
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Pastner has coached two players that have played in the NBA, Elliot Williams and Will Barton. Big difference between getting five stars and getting top five players. Memphis hasn't been all that talented.
They have recruited at a top 10 level the past 5 years. It is the coaches job to develop that talent
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:59 pm to RTR America
That is true but we're comparing him to Calipari, who is getting guys who are ready to play at a high level right away.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:02 pm to floridatigah
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That is true but we're comparing him to Calipari, who is getting guys who are ready to play at a high level right away.
Calipari's first Final Four team at Kentucky wasn't that talented.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:14 pm to RTR America
Maybe compared to his other teams. Still had two lottery picks who were top 10 recruits and 4 other players who spent time in the NBA. Just saying, they're following the same strategy but Cal is working with a different level of talent.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:17 pm to floridatigah
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Still had two lottery picks
One of those lottery picks never played a minute for Kentucky
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Just saying, they're following the same strategy but Cal is working with a different level of talent.
And he has had success before approaching things like he does now. His recruiting ability mixed with Kentucky is just a perfect storm. It is sort of like Saban and Alabama.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:20 pm to RTR America
Knight and Jones, who might have been just outside the lottery. Definitely agree on Cal at Kentucky being a perfect storm for recruiting. I can't remember, how good were his Memphis teams that didn't have Rose and Evans?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:28 pm to floridatigah
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I can't remember, how good were his Memphis teams that didn't have Rose and Evans?
He finished at UMASS with 5 ranked teams, last 3 were in the top 10
It took longer to rebuild Memphis, but after 05 they were never outside of the top 10. He finished his last 3 seasons there with consecutive elite eights.
Win-Loss %
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1991-92 Massachusetts .857 (#5)
1994-95 Massachusetts .853 (#3)
1995-96 Massachusetts .946 (#1)
2005-06 Memphis .892 (#2)
2006-07 Memphis .892 (#2)
2007-08 Memphis .950 (#1)
2008-09 Memphis .892 (#2)
2009-10 Kentucky .921 (#1)
2011-12 Kentucky .950 (#1)
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:32 pm to RTR America
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Cal had also already built Umass into a contender before that.
Why hasn't Rick Barnes or Scott Drew won anything? Both of them have had tons of talent over the years.
Not the full depth of talent. Rick Barnes had talent but he only had 3 or 4 talented guys at a time, not great talent, but good, then the rest of the roster was average to BAD. Durant was all Texas had his one year there. Same with Scott Drew, although he just now started to get more depth in terms of talent. You can't win anything without depth. There are plenty of teams with 1 or 2 really good players, but the difference comes with the rest of the roster.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:35 pm to RTR America
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Calipari's first Final Four team at Kentucky wasn't that talented.
Are you serious? They were more talented than 99% if not all of college basketball teams that season.
Roster
Eric Bledsoe
DeMarcus Cousins
Patrick Patterson
John Wall
There are 3 NBA All-Stars (Cousins, Wall, Bledsoe) in that line up….you are WAY off.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:37 pm to tiggerthetooth
That team got bounced by WV before the final four.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:52 pm to tiggerthetooth
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There are 3 NBA All-Stars (Cousins, Wall, Bledsoe) in that line up….you are WAY off.
Umm that team lost in the Elite Eight
Cal's final four team was
Brandon Knight (Lottery Pick)
DeAndre Liggins (Late 2nd Round)
Josh Harrellson (Late 2nd Round)
Jon Hood (Still at UK)
Darius Miller (2nd Round)
Doron Lamb (Mid 2nd Round)
Stacey Pooler (transferred somewhere)
Jarrod Polson (still at UK/walk on)
Eloy Vargas (Playing overseas)
Terrence Jones (Late lottery, but didn't play like one his freshman year)
Terrence Jones highest point total during that Final Four run was 12.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:54 pm to RTR America
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Umm that team lost in the Elite Eight
Well there you go. A really talented team that didn't make the final four.
I accidentally clicked the wrong Kentucky name on wiki.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 4:04 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Well there you go. A really talented team that didn't make the final four.
And then proceeded to go Final Four then a national championship. What is your point?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 4:08 pm to RTR America
Calipari's style of motivation doesn't translate well to the NBA... and his biggest strength is recruiting.
i'm not saying he won't take another run at it, but he'd be foolish to do so.
i'm not saying he won't take another run at it, but he'd be foolish to do so.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 5:23 pm to tiggerthetooth
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tiggerthetooth
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UK fan saying this. Cali-sleazy owns cheating
Priceless coming from a UNC fan. Look in the mirror.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 5:24 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Eric Bledsoe
DeMarcus Cousins
Patrick Patterson
John Wall
Does not know Kentucky Basketball.
Try again.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 5:31 pm to floridatigah
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That team got bounced by WV before the final four.
A Jodie Meeks away from one IMO.
As for the OP, if he goes he goes. Thanks for the run because it's been a blast. Go get the next championship coach like we have in the past. I don't know that he goes though.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 5:33 pm to BluegrassBelle
Doubt he goes. His son is a sophomore at LCA….I think he wants to chase UCLA title numbers for UK.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 5:34 pm
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