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re: Joe Paterno will retire at the end of the season per AP
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:39 pm to songofthesword
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:39 pm to songofthesword
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As a proud gay man, I take offense to this statement. Sandusky is a sexual deviant. His sexual preference is completely besides the point.
i have no problem with him being gay. I don't mean he's gay in a derogatory fashion..b ut he's not having sex with girls he's having sex with boys. that's what you would call a homosexual I would think.
I'm not gay and disagree with the statement too
If it were girls instead of boys that he was molesting or having intercourse with it wouldn't be really accurate to call him heterosexual. In both cases it seems more accurate to say pedophile.
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:46 pm to Tiger Ryno
quote:
Trevor Matich is bringing the Pain:
*If Joe knew and didn't do enough he is just as responsible for the continued rapes as Sandusky is
this is spot on. How do you not do everything in your power to ensure a monster is kept away from raping more kids and ruining their lives forever.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:49 pm to molsusports
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In both cases it seems more accurate to say pedophile.
but why not girls? Do you not see what the question stems from?
I wasn't really asking for opinions here either. I was hoping that someone had some background in cases like this, and had knowledge into the mindset of similar criminals. You know, the way that serial killers are profiled, don't know if that exists for serial molesters.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:52 pm to AUoutlaw420
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What do you think a coach like Bear Bryant would have done in this case? I know that back in the day, reporters would hide stuff to protect the program
In a case like this, I hope he would have done the right thing. Just like I would hope Pat Dye, Fulmer, or whomever would have.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:54 pm to thequad
quote:
As a proud gay man, I take offense to this statement.
Sandusky is a sexual deviant. His sexual preference is completely besides the point.
Okay, so he's a sexual deviant with homosexual tendencies.
If he were raping 10 year old girls, then he'd be a sexual deviant with heterosexual tendencies.
Nobody is bashing gays here, so don't get all riled-up.
BTW, I refuse to Google what the correct term would be because I do NOT want a permanent record of that search on file with the GoogleGods.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:54 pm to AUoutlaw420
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Bear Bryant would have done in this case?
he probably would have taken a baseball bat to him and then called the cops
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:55 pm to RummelTiger
quote:Come on, Rummy? You know you wanted to go with "your panties in a wad."
so don't get all riled-up.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:56 pm to NATidefan
quote:You know Fulmer would snitch on somebody.
In a case like this, I hope he would have done the right thing. Just like I would hope Pat Dye, Fulmer, or whomever would have.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:56 pm to WDE24
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Come on, Rummy? You know you wanted to go with "your panties in a wad."
I almost did.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:56 pm to Lester Earl
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So i wouldnt say he is getting totally shamed.
I would. His "family" is probably not able to view this objectively. Everyone else (with very few exceptions) can.
It's not about what he did. It's about what he (and others who will go down) didn't do. This is what some of you do not seem to understand, or accept the whole seriousness of it.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:57 pm to LfcSU3520
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In both cases it seems more accurate to say pedophile.
but why not girls? Do you not see what the question stems from?
it can be a very legitimate question and it can be a question posed because of homophobia. that is if you are inclined to view both sexual behaviors as evil, against god, or abhorrent then any distinction between the type of acts becomes mostly trivial.
IMO sexual acts between an adult and a child are never ok because the child lacks the maturity to give consent. But there if we make the assumption that gay men find men attractive in the same way that women find men attractive it becomes ridiculous to equate homosexuality and pedophilia between men and boys - because a gay man or heterosexual woman should be attracted to physical male cues that are related to maturity and development and absent in boys who have not undergone puberty.
Similarly normal heterosexual men are not attracted to girls because they lack the sexual development that we visually cue in on as being sexually desirable.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:05 pm to molsusports
none of the question was rooted in homophobia.
It was rooted in the fact that a man was married to a woman for decades, yet all of his sexually deviant acts (that we're aware of) happened with members of the same sex.
I have no insight whatsoever into the mind of someone who molests children, so I was hoping that someone here had come across research into them at some point.
And like Rummy, scared of google searching it
It was rooted in the fact that a man was married to a woman for decades, yet all of his sexually deviant acts (that we're aware of) happened with members of the same sex.
I have no insight whatsoever into the mind of someone who molests children, so I was hoping that someone here had come across research into them at some point.
And like Rummy, scared of google searching it
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:07 pm to LfcSU3520
quote:Not sure. Maybe it was just easier for him to get to boys through his camp than anything else.
but why not girls?
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:13 pm to molsusports
quote:
If it were girls instead of boys that he was molesting or having intercourse with it wouldn't be really accurate to call him heterosexual. In both cases it seems more accurate to say pedophile.
Pedophile and I don't have a problem calling him gay as well. He performed oral sex on boys, lets not get all PC and pretend this didn't happen. It's possible to be a ped. and have a preference toward males. I am far from homophobic (horrible that I even have to qualify this) and understand it's possible to be both.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:14 pm to Tiger55
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Trust me, with that thinking, I'm glad I don't and hope my kids don't depend on you to keep them safe. God forbid you do more than what is legally required.
ha. If i were in mcquearys position i would have put an end to it on the spot. Ive taken up for people i dont know over circumstances a lot less drastic. Like I said, you don't know me.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:15 pm to LfcSU3520
I fully understand not wanting the google record on your computer, but if you were to use an internet cafe for your search, you'll find that sexual deviants, predators, and child abusers are acting on an unnatural attraction to control, power, and
In other words, its likely that Sandusky's sexual orientation has little to do with his attraction to male or female genatlia. It has to do with his desire to exert complete control over defenseless children. This is why you find that many serial killers and child molesters began their "careers" by killing animals as children.
In Sandusky's case, he likely had greater access to boys. He was a football coach and manipulated these kids by taking them to football games, practices, camps, etc. Had he had access to female children, he likely would have abused them as well.
My only point is that he should not be branded as "homosexual". He's a pedophile.
In other words, its likely that Sandusky's sexual orientation has little to do with his attraction to male or female genatlia. It has to do with his desire to exert complete control over defenseless children. This is why you find that many serial killers and child molesters began their "careers" by killing animals as children.
In Sandusky's case, he likely had greater access to boys. He was a football coach and manipulated these kids by taking them to football games, practices, camps, etc. Had he had access to female children, he likely would have abused them as well.
My only point is that he should not be branded as "homosexual". He's a pedophile.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:20 pm to thequad
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My only point is that he should not be branded as "homosexual". Trust me. We don't want him!
Not sure why it matters to you so much. There are hero and homosexual deviants. At this point it really shouldn't matter to anyone except we all recognize that it's not normal adult behavior regardless of his orientation toward gender.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Pedophile and I don't have a problem calling him gay as well. He performed oral sex on boys, lets not get all PC and pretend this didn't happen. It's possible to be a ped. and have a preference toward males. I am far from homophobic (horrible that I even have to qualify this) and understand it's possible to be both.
isn't it weird that Sandusky seems to have two sexual preferences? Adult women and juvenile boys. I don't have good answers for why this seems to be the case but my anecdotal observation is that it has also been true of other adult men who preyed on young boys
And I don't think anyone is pretending it (sexual acts between a boy and an adult man) didn't happen or isn't incredibly evil... but I think most of us have seen enough violence and hostility against gay men that was rooted in strange responses from supposedly secure and straight males to wonder what generates those responses as well
Breaking down the apparently irrationality of those responses and observations is what I was trying to do
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:20 pm to thequad
quote:
Trust me. We don't want him!
Neither do we!!!
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:22 pm to RummelTiger
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Neither do we!!!
Fair enough! :)
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