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re: Joe Paterno will retire at the end of the season per AP
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:24 pm to thequad
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:24 pm to thequad
I see.
Also, I'm not trying to 'brand' him as homosexual. I'm wondering if he actually is. Did he have more of a double life as a gay man throughout his marriage, or was this just strictly as you described it?
I'm not interested in placing false reactionary tags on people. I'm just fascinated by people who fall so far away from societal norms all while appearing to be completely normal to those around them.
Also, I'm not trying to 'brand' him as homosexual. I'm wondering if he actually is. Did he have more of a double life as a gay man throughout his marriage, or was this just strictly as you described it?
I'm not interested in placing false reactionary tags on people. I'm just fascinated by people who fall so far away from societal norms all while appearing to be completely normal to those around them.
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:28 pm to molsusports
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isn't it weird that Sandusky seems to have two sexual preferences? Adult women and juvenile boys. I don't have good answers for why this seems to be the case but my anecdotal observation is that it has also been true of other adult men who preyed on young boys
I imagine his "adult women" was to pretend to be normal. Lots of folks do this for much of their lifetime. I imagine his wife knew of his other life.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:28 pm to LfcSU3520
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I'm not trying to 'brand' him as homosexual.
He is a homosexual. What's so hard to figure out about that? He had relations with young males. That not only makes you a pedophile but also a homosexual.
People need to stop trying to be so PC.
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I'm just fascinated by people who fall so far away from societal norms all while appearing to be completely normal to those around them.
That's a weird fascination you have there.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:33 pm to Philosoraptor
That's not being PC at all. Again, still not looking for opinions here.
And tons of people are fascinated by serial killers, this is similar.
And tons of people are fascinated by serial killers, this is similar.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I imagine his "adult women" was to pretend to be normal.
I guess this is possible and if it were the first time I'd heard about a pedophile abusing boys being married I might be inclined to agree
But the longer you think about it the less that makes sense. If he was really just gay or gay with an interest in underage boys as well as men it would seem easier to just frick men instead of boys. I mean the guy had a ton more access to college aged men than he did boys... he really had to work to set up a situation where he could prey on boys
We'll see IMO. If there were any college aged guys who he had relationships with I think some of those will float to the surface in the near future... because now more than ever the victims will have a sympathetic audience and support... what's more stories of him using his authority as a coach on the team to initiate those types of relationships would add to the responsibility that PSU has on their plate with this case
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:41 pm to molsusports
The stuff Joe Pa said in the "neighborhood rally", his official statement and the decision he made to retire at the end of the season piss me off. This is the first time I've posted in any Penn st related thread bc I was trying to wait to form an opinion but it's clear that he doesn't care about anyone but himself and his actions in the past and even now that stuff has been revealed show that.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 3:54 pm to iwyLSUiwy
The pre-announced retirement by Joe proves it is all about Joe. Going as far as telling the board they need not waste any time discussing him.
I pray they don't take his nonsense into consideration and they fire his arse after their meeting.
Makes no sense to essentially fire the President and hang on to Joe until the end of the season.
I pray they don't take his nonsense into consideration and they fire his arse after their meeting.
Makes no sense to essentially fire the President and hang on to Joe until the end of the season.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:00 pm to TigerMyth36
Spanier needs to be fired, but Joe has much more guilt in this situation. Firing Spanier, without firing Joe, further proves that their attitudes helped foster the type of environment where this could happen.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:08 pm to Bubba Hotep
SO I HAVE A NEW QUESTION?
How did the grand jury find out about the janitors observations?
Did Witherite come forward when he heard this investigation began? Did the investigators just go and ask former janitors what they knew? Or did the PSU administration know about this before the investigation began and told the investigators they needed to speak with the janitors?
How did the grand jury find out about the janitors observations?
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A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy -- known as Victim 8 -- pinned up against the wall and performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.
Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.
Did Witherite come forward when he heard this investigation began? Did the investigators just go and ask former janitors what they knew? Or did the PSU administration know about this before the investigation began and told the investigators they needed to speak with the janitors?
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:11 pm to NATidefan
possibly. they have stated that the original janitor that was the eye witness now suffers from dementia
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:29 pm to Tiger Ryno
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the original janitor that was the eye witness now suffers from dementia
Yeah I saw that, just wondered how it came to be investigated.
Also it's weird how the 2002 incident wording is believed by the jury to have changed as it went up the chain of command.
1. Mcquery to Paterno "Anal Sex with a young boy"
2. Paterno to Curly "Fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy"
3. Curly and Schultz to Spanier "Sandusky made a member of Curly's staff uncomfortable."
Also, the upper members of the Second Mile program should also be investigated for what they knew and didn't report to police, because supposedly they were informed of the incident.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:38 pm to NATidefan
That's why I don't get all the mcquery hate. I mean, what is he, realistic sly supposed to do? what is he supposed to do that the children families have not already done? it's not like he has never been investigated by anyone. that's part of the problem. the man was the pedophile telfon don. the man had been going around messing with kids for years, been questioned by the police, wired, spyed on, caught in the act, and no one ever did anything because he was a super awesome defensive coach.
the more I learn about this the more paterno can burn in hell with gasilone underwear on. there is no excuse for harboring a sexual predator for as long as he knowingly did.
the more I learn about this the more paterno can burn in hell with gasilone underwear on. there is no excuse for harboring a sexual predator for as long as he knowingly did.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:38 pm to Tiger Ryno
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possibly. they have stated that the original janitor that was the eye witness now suffers from dementia
yeah the grand jury report said he was not capable of giving testimony either. I wonder if the event itself was apart of the dementia process.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:39 pm to NATidefan
I think Second Mile needs a purging as well. With the A-List Board of Directors they have, I think that will happen.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:42 pm to songofthesword
what about the kids' dads and moms in all of this... wouldn't they have known first if something was wrong? where have they been?
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:42 pm to Bubba Hotep
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I think Second Mile needs a purging as well. With the A-List Board of Directors they have, I think that will happen
Apparently Lou Holtz spoke at a Second Mile fundraising event and donated money to the cause as well. Eventually he heard that he was on the "Advising Board" for the foundation for several years and he never even knew about it. This was via Lou on sportscenter. Pretty creepy organization IYAM.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:45 pm to Bubba Hotep
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Also, the upper members of the Second Mile program should also be investigated for what they knew and didn't report to police, because supposedly they were informed of the incident.
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State College attorney Wendell V. Courtney was apprised of the investigation in 1998 because he was then counsel for Penn State and for The Second Mile. He has not responded to interview requests. That investigation, by university police, was closed when the Centre County district attorney's office decided not to file charges. The Second Mile learned of another investigation involving Mr. Sandusky in 2002. In its statement, the agency said its chief executive officer, Jack Raykovitz, testified at the investigating grand jury that he had been told by Mr. Curley that an internal Penn State investigation had found no corroboration for an allegation of inappropriate contact by Mr. Sandusky with a youth in a university locker room shower.
The guy who was told about the '98 incident worked for both PSU and The Second Mile charity. Obviously he followed the Penn State method of keeping his mouth shut.
It sounds like they lied about the '02 incident. They told them there were allegations, but left out the eye witness information.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:46 pm to Nittany Lion
I think if Paterno and the ginger are allowed to coach Saturday, every Penn State fan should refuse to enter the stadium. The ultimate f*ck you to the administration for allowing those two to remain would be to have a completely empty stadium. Penn State fans will say they'll attend to support the players. Which is all well and good, but what's better is supporting the victims by not standing for this abomination.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:47 pm to songofthesword
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That's why I don't get all the mcquery hate.
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the more I learn about this the more paterno can burn in hell with gasilone underwear on. there is no excuse for harboring a sexual predator for as long as he knowingly did.
huh?
McQueary saw this happen FIRSTHAND and then continued to work there for years! Not only was he not disgusted enough to take this to the proper authorities in good time, but he was able to keep working in a building where the rapist was allowed free entry to.
It boggles my mind to think they passed each other in the hall one day in that building.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:49 pm to LfcSU3520
It's all just so fricking stupid.
Paterno should have been fired by now. frick letting him have his final goodbye and ride off into the sunset.
Paterno should have been fired by now. frick letting him have his final goodbye and ride off into the sunset.
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