re: JJ Watt mic'd up against the Titans - UPDATE: intriguing steroid debate

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prob sometime between his time at Wisc and entry into the NFL

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So you are saying he wasn't that physically gifted in college, and right after his college career ended he immediately hopped on the juice and then all of a sudden was able to put up the best numbers at the combine?

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So when did he take steroids in your opinion? You said he wasn't physically impressive in college. So you are saying he didn't take steroids in college.

Yet he had the best mix of stats at the combine.

If he wasn't physically impressive in college, then how were his combine numbers so good?

When did this huge leap in physical ability happen?

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Eh his combine numbers were impressive but nowhere near as impressive as his current physical play is. He could have taken steroids before college, during college, between college and pros, and/or currently and all would make sense. A percentage of his physical progression can be chalked up to late blooming and hard work. I just don't believe he went from point A at birth to where he is now. Its not like I think there are any checkpoints along the way that are necessarily ridiculous suspicious.

He's just too big and fast.

I mean his combine description says he is:
relentless
intelligent
hard-working
non-stop motor
great hands
great anticipation
fights hard to hold ground vs. double teams

lacks:
lateral mobility

So I mean, the stuff that roids can't help are there.

Even still, 11.5 sacks in 2 years isn't bad for a dlineman. We see guys like Mingo get 23.5 sacks in 2 years, Ziggy get 4.5 sacks in 3 years, Cam Jordan get 16.5 sacks in 4 years, Quinn get 13 sacks in 2 years, Junior get 16 sacks in 3 years, etc.

So it isn't impossible for him to just become a freak of nature too. I'm 100% sure he's on something, but the guy is relentless and from what my friends say who went to open practice the last few years, they say he just doesn't stop, even as a rookie.

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Eh his combine numbers were impressive but nowhere near as impressive as his current physical play is. He could have taken steroids before college, during college, between college and pros, and/or currently and all would make sense. A percentage of his physical progression can be chalked up to late blooming and hard work. I just don't believe he went from point A at birth to where he is now. Its not like I think there are any checkpoints along the way that are necessarily ridiculous suspicious.

He's just too big and fast.

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I'm not saying he isn't on steroids. I just think Lester Earl's reasoning for reaching that conclusion makes no sense... as if the main reason for his success is steroids, as if he would be the only person on PEDs.

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as if the main reason for his success is steroids

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dude come on. 10 pages and you think that is what Im saying? lol.


a guy like this using steroids is a guy like Barry Bonds using. a 30/30 player already with great athleticism can transform into something that isnt naturally possibly.

Can you condense your argument into a couple of sentences? We've been off the rails for a while now.

He initially said that you're either born a freak or you use juice to get there. That implies that Watt isn't a special talent. If he isn't a special talent and it was juice that took him to the top, why aren't there a shitload of other people just like Watt?

I don't think Lester ever really addressed that. Unless I missed it.

No one mentioned aaron Rodgers was tossed around as the first QB off the board that year? Scouts raved about his pro style passing ability

And Richard Sherman? The dude plays a position predicated on technique, not physicality.

I know everyone enjoys watching watt play. I was a huge Cubs fan growing up and loved watching Sammy Sosa jack 60 HR every summer. I would've been defensive and butthurt if people accused him of roids back then. Was I surprised when it came out he was a juicer? Naw

Barry, you watch baseball. Stop being intentionally obtuse when it comes to the effects of steroids. How many chiumps went to MVP candidates overnight? Guys who were barely above replacement players to MVP? Sosa, caminiti, brady Anderson, brett Boone, Steve Finley, Luis Gonzalez, etc etc. if you have any sort of coordination and skill (watt obviously does) then steroids can put you on a whole other level

Haven't you said that you think he is on roids? Why are you arguing with me?

My point about him about not being born a freak stems from his production in college. Had he been the same guy surely he would have been much more productive. So yea, I think his "edge" came later and artificially