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re: It's time to admit that instant replay is a failed experiment
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:05 pm to TheTideMustRoll
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:05 pm to TheTideMustRoll
It always has been from the first time it was introduced. There’s always been skepticism with officials integrity but the greatest deniability was that they can simply miss calls which is true. Now with replay and the infinite subjective interpretations on overlapping rules the games have no integrity at all anymore.
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Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:16 pm to Tornado Alley
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non-calls on pass interference, defensive holding,
NFL already proved refs will not overturn "judgement" calls. Are you sure they can't review OL downfield? They should be able to review the targeting, leading with the helmet penalties (which would have fixed the no call).
Replays are not going anywhere. Best way to fix them is to stop having the officials on the field manage the replay. Replay should be handled by a small team in the booth. They can start watching the play as soon as it's over, and any rulings can usually be made pretty quick after a few looks. Since they will already be looking at the plays, and reviews would usually be determined while the ref is still finding out what the HC wants them to look at
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:41 pm to TheTideMustRoll
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:48 pm to TheTideMustRoll
I disagree with your major complaints.
it works.
sometimes it takes too long.
1 in 20 is wrong.
before, 6 or 7 out of 20 were wrong.
its better. much.
it works.
sometimes it takes too long.
1 in 20 is wrong.
before, 6 or 7 out of 20 were wrong.
its better. much.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 4:01 pm to Ross
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I feel like we have the technology to embed some sort of RFID sensor suite in the ball synced up to the whistle so that we know the exact position of the ball when the play is blown dead.
The problem with this isn't that we don't have the technology. The problem is that the technology doesn't solve the problem of when the knee was down (or whatever signified the player was down such as an elbow or oob) and what happened to the ball after that. It's not like soccer or tennis where the only issue is where the ball was in relationship to some threshold.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 4:14 pm to TheTideMustRoll
I fail to see how - because it adds a little bit of time to the game - it is a "failed experiment".
Posted on 11/16/22 at 4:16 pm to CelticDog
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6 or 7 out of 20 were wrong.
its better. much.
the beauty of today's technology is that you can verify my claim that before replay there were more errors and even say if certain teams were the beneficiary more than random.
watch Oklahoma crush my Maryland in 1953 new years bowl for the natty.
I was 10. lived in Mary land.
no idea about the okies.
it was a wake up call.
watch that one. natty on the line. not even close.
see how they did.
how about texas vs jerry Jones Arkansas for the natty?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 4:17 pm to TheTideMustRoll
Nah, replay hasn't failed at all.
What has "failed" is one's inability to realize what they are watching is oftentimes intentionally "altered" to either create drama, or just flat out benefit one team. PERIOD.
There are so many examples of replay being bastardized in order to keep whatever narrative for that game going, yet people are STILL in denial that many of these games are tilted.
The NFL and the SEC, the two most watched football products, are the most blatant when it comes to flaunting this. The NFL is basically wresting now, with the SEC not far behind.
I am NOT a Saints fan, but the game they played overseas a few weeks back against MIN was clearly rigged. Go ahead and try to explain to some bloke the rules of the game while that garbage was going on. You literally could not give a valid explanation without saying the refs were blatantly favoring MN.
Don't even get me started on the SEC. They have been rubbing their favoritism in our faces for years, instant replay be damned.
What has "failed" is one's inability to realize what they are watching is oftentimes intentionally "altered" to either create drama, or just flat out benefit one team. PERIOD.
There are so many examples of replay being bastardized in order to keep whatever narrative for that game going, yet people are STILL in denial that many of these games are tilted.
The NFL and the SEC, the two most watched football products, are the most blatant when it comes to flaunting this. The NFL is basically wresting now, with the SEC not far behind.
I am NOT a Saints fan, but the game they played overseas a few weeks back against MIN was clearly rigged. Go ahead and try to explain to some bloke the rules of the game while that garbage was going on. You literally could not give a valid explanation without saying the refs were blatantly favoring MN.
Don't even get me started on the SEC. They have been rubbing their favoritism in our faces for years, instant replay be damned.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 4:28 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
amazing claims by EZE
he's claiming that instant replay is modified to suit an agenda.
its not possible without time travel.
its interesting because its false propaganda which feeds into the political arena where Trump has succeeded in convincing millions of vapor-fraud.
there's a thread today claiming 5000 dead people voted in Arizona. its an entire article full of easily disproved lies that intend to drive precious democracy away. and which most posters in the thread bought as Gospel and went off about it.
same with this guy. asks the reader to believe in people who can magically use instant replay to change the reality and make a mockery of your favorite football game and team...why? who is served by creating doubt?
and if they change the tv show replay what happens with the players? .
he's claiming that instant replay is modified to suit an agenda.
its not possible without time travel.
its interesting because its false propaganda which feeds into the political arena where Trump has succeeded in convincing millions of vapor-fraud.
there's a thread today claiming 5000 dead people voted in Arizona. its an entire article full of easily disproved lies that intend to drive precious democracy away. and which most posters in the thread bought as Gospel and went off about it.
same with this guy. asks the reader to believe in people who can magically use instant replay to change the reality and make a mockery of your favorite football game and team...why? who is served by creating doubt?
and if they change the tv show replay what happens with the players? .
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 4:32 pm to TheTideMustRoll
You want some sort of replay system that has 100% benefits and zero drawbacks. There is no such thing. That doesn't mean they need to do away with it.
They do end up reversing a lot of bad calls. And officiating quality has never been that good so I don't know what you mean by progressive decline. Do you have some data to back up that claim?
They do end up reversing a lot of bad calls. And officiating quality has never been that good so I don't know what you mean by progressive decline. Do you have some data to back up that claim?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 4:34 pm to CelticDog
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amazing claims by EZE
Ironic coming from you
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he's claiming that instant replay is modified to suit an agenda.
No, you don't know how to read.
I'm saying that, despite having instant replay, they still get an obvious call wrong. Many times we have been told what we saw on camera didn't happen.
Latest best example: LSU didn't tip the pass from Bama in OT. Replays showed the guy tipped it from several angles, but because the tip wasn't "hard enough for the spirit of the rule", we were told it didn't happen.
PP interception is another that quickly comes to mind.
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its interesting because its false propaganda which feeds into the political arena where Trump has succeeded in convincing millions of vapor-fraud.
there's a thread today claiming 5000 dead people voted in Arizona. its an entire article full of easily disproved lies that intend to drive precious democracy away. and which most posters in the thread bought as Gospel and went off about it.
Shut up, groomer. This is a thread about instant replay, not your political fantasy.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 4:40 pm to Goldrush25
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don't know what you mean by progressive decline
flowery language.
I suggested he review national championship games of pre replay games.
a Colorado Nebraska regular season game that would not have ended up Colorado winning the natty.
its interesting when people run fallacies on the internet. a 100 people can read every word.
his harangue would do better in a bar.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 4:41 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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I'm saying that, despite having instant replay, they still get an obvious call wrong. Many times we have been told what we saw on camera didn't happen.
The play that should have been a safety early in the UGA/Tenn game immediately came to mind. The worst part is there is no accountability. When the refs frick up so egregiously and still answer to no one, there is a problem.
As for replay, I like the idea Sean McDonough proposed on a broadcast. If the replay official can't determine whether to overturn a call within 60 seconds, the call on the field should stand and the game should continue moving.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 4:41 pm to Billy Blanks
Instant replay is by far the biggest improvement to the sport since the BCS was created. Every statistic shows that turnovers are a major ingredient into who wins games. Getting turnovers right far outweigh all the other complaints and is worth every stoppage of play.
But I guess some of you want to go back to the days of Notre Dame, Michigan, and Bama getting every call on turnovers going there way.
But I guess some of you want to go back to the days of Notre Dame, Michigan, and Bama getting every call on turnovers going there way.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 4:55 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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Now they are told, "If you think you see something call it, and if it's a bad call we'll just let replay fix it."
Actually agree with this 100%. Which is funny because you need indisputable evidence to overturn a bad call, so if you don’t have a good camera angle, bad calls must stand by the letter of the rule
College just needs to adopt NFL rules. This any play is reviewable by the booth the entire game is ridiculous. Give coaches 2 reviews and under 2 minute the booth takes over.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 4:58 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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Best way to fix them is to stop having the officials on the field manage the replay. Replay should be handled by a small team in the booth. They can start watching the play as soon as it's over, and any rulings can usually be made pretty quick after a few looks.
Uh, this is exactly what college football does and it’s the opposite of quick and efficient
Posted on 11/16/22 at 5:00 pm to RunningJacket
I like replay, but I wish it could be made a bit more rational:
--the "irrefutable evidence" standard. I would much rather the video be shown to a neutral observer (not on site). Ideally, the 1st time he sees the video is completely cold and with zero context. And then he just says what he sees. It doesn't have to be "irrefutable".
--Make more things reviewable. It's really bizarre to me that spots are reviewable, as those are some of the very hardest things to ascertain, but, say, holding or any of the fighting penalties (how great would it be if we could help get rid of the "it's always the 2nd guy who gets flagged" effect?) are not.
--controversial, but refs should make more use of their power to award points. So, e.g., on a breakaway scoop and score that was ruled dead due to "not a fumble" but when the scooper CLEARLY was completely free to waltz into the endzone, the review would result in an overturn AND awarding of the TD.
--the "irrefutable evidence" standard. I would much rather the video be shown to a neutral observer (not on site). Ideally, the 1st time he sees the video is completely cold and with zero context. And then he just says what he sees. It doesn't have to be "irrefutable".
--Make more things reviewable. It's really bizarre to me that spots are reviewable, as those are some of the very hardest things to ascertain, but, say, holding or any of the fighting penalties (how great would it be if we could help get rid of the "it's always the 2nd guy who gets flagged" effect?) are not.
--controversial, but refs should make more use of their power to award points. So, e.g., on a breakaway scoop and score that was ruled dead due to "not a fumble" but when the scooper CLEARLY was completely free to waltz into the endzone, the review would result in an overturn AND awarding of the TD.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 5:43 pm to VADawg
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The play that should have been a safety early in the UGA/Tenn game immediately came to mind. The worst part is there is no accountability. When the refs frick up so egregiously and still answer to no one, there is a problem.
I would argue that when a ref "fricks up" instant reply, he is doing exactly what he was told to do. There is a reason why refs don't have post game interviews, and the leagues are protected by the "entertainment clause".
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As for replay, I like the idea Sean McDonough proposed on a broadcast. If the replay official can't determine whether to overturn a call within 60 seconds, the call on the field should stand and the game should continue moving.
That would be a disaster because they could tilt games even more in a direction they want. This would just make it more blatant.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 6:48 am to prplhze2000
What was worse than the Refs giving a 5th down, was the AP Sports Writers giving them a National Championship knowing that they scored the winning TD on down number 5.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 7:08 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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That would be a disaster because they could tilt games even more in a direction they want. This would just make it more blatant.
Replays really don't matter on the grand scheme of things. It is just a nice diversion for the fans to think the games aren't blatantly rigged.
The way the NFL rigs games is much simpler with well timed jusgement calls on off/def holding and things of that nature that derail or sustain drives.
Only a couple never looked at again calls is all it really takes to rig games when needed.
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