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re: Is Phil Fulmer’s record of 152-52 a bit misleading due to such a weak November schedule?
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:42 pm to boston vol
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:42 pm to boston vol
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5-3 isn't exactly dominating someone.
Before Richt was hired Goff and Donnan were a combined 1-10 vs Tennessee so Richt being 5-3 was a huge improvement and a big deal.
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:48 pm to Paul Allen
He stabbed Johnny Majors in the back to get the job but he outperformed Johnny so to most Vol fans, I'm sure that would justify it.
It was similar to Orgeron/Les where O was working behind the scenes to help push out the HC and campaign for the job.
It was similar to Orgeron/Les where O was working behind the scenes to help push out the HC and campaign for the job.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:51 pm to Paul Allen
Fulmer was legit
Posted on 12/29/25 at 1:10 pm to JimTiger72
This post was edited on 12/29/25 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 12/29/25 at 3:28 pm to Paul Allen
39-40-1 against final ranked teams. Not terrible but not good.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 5:15 pm to GoGators1995
Not really good
Posted on 12/29/25 at 5:27 pm to Paul Allen
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The program got to be stale and needed a boost. The Kiffin hire was the home run hire but it didn’t work out.
The kiffin Tennessee thing is weird how it gets presented.
The phrase “it didn’t work out” implies it wasn’t good and the fans act like he kicked their dogs and put muddy shoes on their couch.
He had a solid year and then took the premier job in the country at the time.
USC was unquestionably a step up.
The fact that he still gets crap to this day about that makes no sense
Posted on 12/29/25 at 5:28 pm to Paul Allen
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Is Phil Fulmer’s record of 152-52 a bit misleading due to such a weak November schedule?
Wouldn’t that mean he played the top teams in September and October?
Posted on 12/29/25 at 8:43 pm to Paul Allen
Certainly better than his predecessor at least - Johnny Majors went 14-35-6 against final ranked teams at Tennessee.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 3:01 am to GoGators1995
Fulmer benefited from a down sec and a down Clemson. I mention Clemson because Fulmer kicked arse in North Carolina , South Carolina, Georgia and Virginia. The kids Virginia Tech and Tennessee would get have committed to Clemson
Posted on 12/30/25 at 4:49 am to Statsattack
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Fulmer benefited from a down sec and a down Clemson.
In fairness, Clemson has been "down" for much of their history. Subtract Dabo Swinney's run and you have a program who historically has been closer to Troy and San Diego State in terms of all-time winning percentage.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 5:57 am to Paul Allen
Posted on 12/30/25 at 7:36 am to Paul Allen
Fulmer is highly overrated from a historical standpoint. Whenever people start listing some of the best SEC coaches of the last 50 years his name tends to come up simply because 1) he has a nice overall record, and 2) he has one national title. But when you dive deeper it's pretty misleading.
-Obviously, the memories of his accomplishments are entirely focused on teh 1990s. And he did have a sterling record in the 90s, but look at who it was against. The east was absolutely dreadful aside from UF, who tennessee could barely ever beat. UGA had goff/donnan and was wandering in the wilderness, and SC/Vandy/UK were 3 of the worst teams natinoally over that decade. As in, the entire country. Like truly 3 of the worst programs from coast to coast. They played bama yearly, but bama was in something of a "down" period as well, at least relative to a typical bama decade.
-Will take nothing away from 1998. Great season, great wins, much deserved.
-Things all started to turn when Richt got to Athens. Since Tennessee was a lousy recruitin state, UT made their hay by recruiting Atlanta hard and effectively. That stopped when Richt got there and the results speak for themselves. Not only did Richt immeidatley turn the UGA/UT series around but their overall talent took some huge hits as well.
-From 2000 to retirmeent in 2008, Tennessee had ONE single season with less than 3 losses. Zero seasons with less than 2 losses.
-In his last 7 seasons tennessee never finished ranked in the top 10.
-In his last 9 seasons as HC his record was 76-38 (66%).
When you really break it down, Fulmer had an outstanding/elite run for 4 years from 1995-1998 that his entire legacy is based on. The other 13 years of his career have been barely more than "pretty good".
Those 4 years DO count though, so he gets credit for them. But he isn't anywhere close to one of the SEC's all time greats.
-Obviously, the memories of his accomplishments are entirely focused on teh 1990s. And he did have a sterling record in the 90s, but look at who it was against. The east was absolutely dreadful aside from UF, who tennessee could barely ever beat. UGA had goff/donnan and was wandering in the wilderness, and SC/Vandy/UK were 3 of the worst teams natinoally over that decade. As in, the entire country. Like truly 3 of the worst programs from coast to coast. They played bama yearly, but bama was in something of a "down" period as well, at least relative to a typical bama decade.
-Will take nothing away from 1998. Great season, great wins, much deserved.
-Things all started to turn when Richt got to Athens. Since Tennessee was a lousy recruitin state, UT made their hay by recruiting Atlanta hard and effectively. That stopped when Richt got there and the results speak for themselves. Not only did Richt immeidatley turn the UGA/UT series around but their overall talent took some huge hits as well.
-From 2000 to retirmeent in 2008, Tennessee had ONE single season with less than 3 losses. Zero seasons with less than 2 losses.
-In his last 7 seasons tennessee never finished ranked in the top 10.
-In his last 9 seasons as HC his record was 76-38 (66%).
When you really break it down, Fulmer had an outstanding/elite run for 4 years from 1995-1998 that his entire legacy is based on. The other 13 years of his career have been barely more than "pretty good".
Those 4 years DO count though, so he gets credit for them. But he isn't anywhere close to one of the SEC's all time greats.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 7:41 am to WG_Dawg
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-Obviously, the memories of his accomplishments are entirely focused on teh 1990s. And he did have a sterling record in the 90s, but look at who it was against. The east was absolutely dreadful aside from UF, who tennessee could barely ever beat. UGA had goff/donnan and was wandering in the wilderness, and SC/Vandy/UK were 3 of the worst teams natinoally over that decade. As in, the entire country. Like truly 3 of the worst programs from coast to coast. They played bama yearly, but bama was in something of a "down" period as well, at least relative to a typical bama decade.
A Georgia fan making this point when Kirby has had probably an easier time in the East than Fulmer did is.... Something.
But yeah Fulmer is probably overrated a bit. Good coach but not a Kirby or Saban level (though I don't hear anyone trying to claim that either).
But to give him some credit it's also a harder job than Georgia or Bama.
This post was edited on 12/30/25 at 7:43 am
Posted on 12/30/25 at 7:48 am to VolSquatch
Fulmer was dirty. Used car salesman type.
Glad Tennessee died and will never be back at a very high level.
Glad Tennessee died and will never be back at a very high level.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 8:43 am to VolSquatch
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A Georgia fan making this point when Kirby has had probably an easier time in the East than Fulmer did is.... Something.
well...all 3 of SC/Vandy/UK are better now than they were in the 90s so that really isn't even debatable. Kirby has also had to go against the best dynasty in CFB history, in addition to a playoff system that makes you play multiple top 4 teams in a row to end the year...
Posted on 12/30/25 at 8:46 am to WG_Dawg
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all 3 of SC/Vandy/UK
I'd rather play all three of those every year than the Spurrier coached Gators
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:09 am to WG_Dawg
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Things all started to turn when Richt got to Athens.
Of the list of reasons why Tennessee eroded under Fulmer, Richt arriving at UGA doesn’t even crack the top 10.
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UT made their hay by recruiting Atlanta hard and effectively. That stopped when Richt got there and the results speak for themselves.
That stopped when Rodney Garner left UT for UGA after the ‘97 season. That’s the main reason why the GA recruiting pipeline started to dry up.
This post was edited on 12/30/25 at 9:21 am
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