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re: Is lonzo ball a less explosive Michael Carter Williams?
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:08 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:08 pm to ReauxlTide222
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That's a different type of hype. We don't use silly accolades to dish out hype.
We dig a little deeper when scouting kids to determine how they'll translate to the league.
Lonzo had some pretty awesome accolades as well:
-top high school player in the nation
-NCAA assists leader
-first-team All-American
-finalist for Wooden, Naismith and Oscar Robertson Awards
It wasn't all just Lavar, dude enjoyed one of the best freshman seasons arguably in NCAA history-however Lavar made Lonzo GLOBAL, almost analogous to Penny Hardaway and Lil Penny in the mid-90s at Nike, the marketing aspect
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Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:11 pm to ThePTExperience1969
McDyess was a stud before his ruptured patella
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:18 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:I knew none of this. I don't pay attention to ANY of that stuff in college basketball. Hell, I don't even pay attention to it in the NBA.
Lonzo had some pretty awesome accolades as well:
-top high school player in the nation
-NCAA assists leader
-first-team All-American
-finalist for Wooden, Naismith and Oscar Robertson Awards
I scour stat lines and stuff in the NBA(I also watch as much NBA as I can). And when guys get hyped before they're drafted I look at how they played in college and how their team did and stuff(to form my usually wrong opinion of them). I swear to god I don't even know who won the NCAA championship last season.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 7:25 pm to ReauxlTide222
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So probably not logically.
From a retrospective basis since I obviously couldn't competently analyze at such a young age
Posted on 11/20/17 at 8:18 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Word is when the nba issues stat corrections the triple double will vanish. The official scorer was way too generous with the assists on at least 2 occasions.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 8:22 pm to 632627
Posted on 11/20/17 at 8:22 pm to 632627
Pretty shameful to basically manufacture a triple double for your face of the franchise rookie simply to distract from the fact that he was caught on video being the only player on the floor to not give a shite that HIS team was in a scuffle.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 8:34 pm to 632627
In the games I've watched of his, which have been a bunch, his assists seem like nothing but swinging a pass from the key to a guy launching a 3.
His assists don't seem like him manufacturing good plays within a scheme. Think of how Lebron sets up people for assists. Lonzo's look nothing like that.
It looks like, "ok I have the ball. I don't wanna shoot this one. Ok you have it. HEY YA MADE ONE."
Please, nobody entertain this point, because I don't have the basketball wherewithal to explain what I'm trying to say. So it'll just be wasting your time.
But goddammit, I know what I see. And I don't think he's generating offense like most think.
His assists don't seem like him manufacturing good plays within a scheme. Think of how Lebron sets up people for assists. Lonzo's look nothing like that.
It looks like, "ok I have the ball. I don't wanna shoot this one. Ok you have it. HEY YA MADE ONE."
Please, nobody entertain this point, because I don't have the basketball wherewithal to explain what I'm trying to say. So it'll just be wasting your time.
But goddammit, I know what I see. And I don't think he's generating offense like most think.
This post was edited on 11/20/17 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 11/20/17 at 8:37 pm to ReauxlTide222
Reauxl-
From the games I’ve watched, I picked up on the same thing. It was extremely evident in the game against the sixers, in which Simmons was driving, drawing the defense, and dishing to the open man. Lonzo isn’t nearly as aggressive and just swings the ball around.
The article I linked confirms what we both suspected.
From the games I’ve watched, I picked up on the same thing. It was extremely evident in the game against the sixers, in which Simmons was driving, drawing the defense, and dishing to the open man. Lonzo isn’t nearly as aggressive and just swings the ball around.
The article I linked confirms what we both suspected.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 8:47 pm to 632627
That article starts off sounding like it was written by a slightly butthurt writer who needed to put something out. But it gets pretty damn good.
Driving and dishing is fine with me. Lebron and Harden are MASTERS at it. And everyone is going to get easy assists every game.
Say the Lakers made the playoffs this year. I don't think Lonzo would be this amazing passer that people think he is anymore. With a defense clamping down, I don't think Lonzo is NEAR as capable of running offense as all his supports do.
Driving and dishing is fine with me. Lebron and Harden are MASTERS at it. And everyone is going to get easy assists every game.
Say the Lakers made the playoffs this year. I don't think Lonzo would be this amazing passer that people think he is anymore. With a defense clamping down, I don't think Lonzo is NEAR as capable of running offense as all his supports do.
This post was edited on 11/20/17 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:39 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:I'm trying to figure it out without looking, and I have no idea either.
I swear to god I don't even know who won the NCAA championship last season.
Villanova beat UNC on that crazy shot but I think it was 2 years ago?
I just can't seem to remember what happened last year.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:42 am to shel311
UNC won another one
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:22 pm to Lester Earl
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McDyess was a stud before his ruptured patella
McDyess is the best "Batman" for Kidd you can come up with ? Even MyDyess thinks this is ridiculous & ironically the single season he played with Kidd was his most efficient. Russ had a long career with 1 time MVP & Finals MVP in Kevin Durant who had enough of him. Also young & fellow Flopper in Harden. But Jason Kidd had McDyess for a year.
Now Russ has Paul George & Melo & probably doesn't have the basketball savvy of Kidd/ Magic,etc.....to figure it out.
Kidd had MyDyess though. And Kittles. Van Horn. Jim Jackson.( Not bad players ,but give me a break).
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 1:34 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Who was the Batman for the Suns the late 90s? 32 year old Danny Manning? Rex Chapman? McDyess? Old arse Kevin Johnson? Laughable. Man, that was the era Kidd became a big-time superstar and was earning first-team all-NBA, first-team all-defense honors and even finishing top 10 in the MVP voting annually. All this Robin crap.
Doesn't matter that he was highly regarded / appreciated by his teammates , opponents, Scouts , Executives , media ,fans,etc......... But , but his stats....?
I thought this was a thread about bashing a 19/20 year old who has played less than 20 games & not a revisit / diminishing of Kidd.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:27 pm to ReauxlTide222
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He'd be a clown if drafted in 2008
Man you really suck.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:31 pm to theducks
Chill tf out. I was kidding.
You're always on my arse
You're always on my arse
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:25 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
In the games I've watched of his, which have been a bunch, his assists seem like nothing but swinging a pass from the key to a guy launching a 3.
Ball isn't the only player in this League getting cheap assists. I have noticed that he isnt as Ball dominant as I assumed( I bet advanced stats guys can attest to his low usage rate).
He isn't the traditional slash & dish guard ( like Kidd) as I had assumed ,but the last 2 games he has become more aggressive penetrating. He really shines in transition more than half court right now.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:39 pm to sugar71
I'm just saying one reason Laker fans are optimistic is because of his raw stats outside of scoring.
Namely, his ability to run the offense and rack up assists.
When watching him, I don't get the sense that he's any better at it than anyone else. I think his stats are very empty and watching him doesn't give me the sense that he's this special basketball mind.
Lonzo passes the ball 63.1 times per game. That's more than Curry, Lebron, Russ, Lowry, Harden, and Wall.
21% of Wall's passes lead to buckets
20.3% for Harden
18.9% for Russ
17% for Lebron
16.9% for Curry
Only 12.8% of Lonzo's passes lead to baskets.
I think he has empty stats. I don't see him creating much offense for the team and simply racks up stats by being out there more than anyone on the team.
Not only can he not shoot AT ALL, I think what he's doing running the point for this team is being severely overrated.
Namely, his ability to run the offense and rack up assists.
When watching him, I don't get the sense that he's any better at it than anyone else. I think his stats are very empty and watching him doesn't give me the sense that he's this special basketball mind.
Lonzo passes the ball 63.1 times per game. That's more than Curry, Lebron, Russ, Lowry, Harden, and Wall.
21% of Wall's passes lead to buckets
20.3% for Harden
18.9% for Russ
17% for Lebron
16.9% for Curry
Only 12.8% of Lonzo's passes lead to baskets.
I think he has empty stats. I don't see him creating much offense for the team and simply racks up stats by being out there more than anyone on the team.
Not only can he not shoot AT ALL, I think what he's doing running the point for this team is being severely overrated.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 4:43 pm to sugar71
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McDyess is the best "Batman" for Kidd you can come up with ?
well his best Batman was Dirk. Coincidentally that was the only time he ever sniffed a title.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 4:47 pm to 632627
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