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re: Is Kobe the only one of the big three who needed a big man to win a championship
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:11 pm to sugar71
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:11 pm to sugar71
So we determine how good Gasol is based on what he did in Memphis and how much money he made? The Grizz sucked before he got there, and he was part of some solid seasons in a tough conference...but we won't mention that.
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:11 pm to Tennessee Jed
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MJ was surrounded by scrubs, Pippen wouldn't be in the top 150 in today's league.
Good God I hope this isn't serious. Scottie averaged 22pts 8.7 rebounds and 5.6 assists the year MJ didn't play in 1994. (He was also first team all defense that year).
The Bulls won 55 games and were the 3 seed WITHOUT MJ.
For the last 3 rings he had the best rebounder of all time (Rodman), one of the best 6th men in the league (Kukoc), and one of the most accurate 3 point shooters ever (Kerr who shot 47% from 3 those 3 years).
To say MJ played with scrubs simply proves your basketball ignorance
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:13 pm to SabiDojo
quote:Playing with 2 1st ballot hall of gamers doesn't matter. He's MJ
MJ was part of a big 3 too.
Obviously MJ made Rodman too.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:13 pm to alexman
Lebron only needs 2 top ten players. But not a big man so winner!!!
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:13 pm to eumont
Dennis Rodman was part of the Pistons team that bounced the Bulls in the playoffs before Jordan won a ring.
6-time CONSECUTIVE rebounding champion?! Yeah, total scrub.
6-time CONSECUTIVE rebounding champion?! Yeah, total scrub.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:15 pm to craigbiggio
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LBJ is the only one who didn't need Phil
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:15 pm to eumont
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To say MJ played with scrubs simply proves your basketball ignorance
lol, it was obviously tounge in cheek.
the fact is Lebron probably won his titles with the least impressive supporting cast.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:15 pm to dukke v
LeBron to the Knicks 
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:16 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Pippen wouldn't be in the top 150 in today's league.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:19 pm to Tennessee Jed
My apologies you can never tell if people are being serious here will all the MJ fanboys
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:22 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Pippen wouldn't be in the top 150 in today's league
Nice troll job.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:27 pm to TexasTiger08
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So we determine how good Gasol is based on what he did in Memphis and how much money he made? The Grizz sucked before he got there, and he was part of some solid seasons in a tough conference...but we won't mention that.
How the hell else are you gonna evaluate his play not playing with Kobe with whom his efficiency skyrocketed after playing with Kobe?
His contract was considered toxic & he was a big soft Euro who never won a playofff game & no one was dying to take on that contract ,but a Lakers franchise trying to placate a pissed off Kobe(playing with Kwame Brown,Smush Parker & Luke Walton as starters).
Did the Grizzlies suck after they got rid of Gasol's toxic contract? No it was one of the most savvy moves the franchise ever made & the results after Pau prove it. They were a dead end franchise with Pau, but got his younger Brother & freed up money to sign/re sign other pieces(Randolph/Gay/O.J. Mayo).
And it's silly that people still mention Bynum, who barely cracked the top 7/8 in the Lakers rotation ,as some dominant big.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 1:35 pm to sugar71
The crappy contract was the Grizzlies' issue, not Pau's IMO. Yes, Pau didn't win a playoff game without Kobe.
What exactly was his awesome supporting cast in Memphis like? And while we are at it, yes...Memphis improve after Pau left because they built a more complete team. You proved that on your own post.
That's like saying David Robinson sucked because he couldn't win a title without Duncan. It's common sense that more stars increase your chances of winning.
Also, Memphis didn't exactly have a cakewalk in any of their first round series. Phoenix, SA, and Dallas were all juggernauts at the time.
Pau may be soft, but that doesn't mean he sucks. He has a finesse game, I get it. But that doesn't mean he didn't equal a strong supporting cast.
What exactly was his awesome supporting cast in Memphis like? And while we are at it, yes...Memphis improve after Pau left because they built a more complete team. You proved that on your own post.
That's like saying David Robinson sucked because he couldn't win a title without Duncan. It's common sense that more stars increase your chances of winning.
Also, Memphis didn't exactly have a cakewalk in any of their first round series. Phoenix, SA, and Dallas were all juggernauts at the time.
Pau may be soft, but that doesn't mean he sucks. He has a finesse game, I get it. But that doesn't mean he didn't equal a strong supporting cast.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:48 pm to alexman
Do people not realize that basketball is a team sport? Every championship player needs good players to win it. Lebron, Kobe, and MJ all needed somebody. That's the way it is.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 2:49 pm to Boomshockalocka
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No Lebron just had to join up with 2 other top 5 players. Terrible thread bro.
Old Wade and Bosh were/are not top 5 players.
Also Shaq was a top 1 player in LA, and Pippen was an arguable top 10-top5 player.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:01 pm to SammyTiger
MJ fans are as bad as MJ himself. Constantly doing comparisons to remain relevant. Lebron is far better than MJ or Kobe talent wise. MJ and Kobe have more of a killer instinct but not more talent. And to say Pippen was not great is very stupid he is a top 25 all time player. Switch Pippen with Stockton or with whomever you consider the Knicks second best player behind Ewing and MJ doesn't win 6.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:23 pm to TexasTiger08
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crappy contract was the Grizzlies' issue, not Pau's IMO. Yes, Pau didn't win a playoff game without Kobe.
What exactly was his awesome supporting cast in Memphis like? And while we are at it, yes...Memphis improve after Pau left because they built a more complete team. You proved that on your own post.
That's like saying David Robinson sucked because he couldn't win a title without Duncan. It's common sense that more stars increase your chances of winning.
Also, Memphis didn't exactly have a cakewalk in any of their first round series. Phoenix, SA, and Dallas were all juggernauts at the time.
Pau may be soft, but that doesn't mean he sucks. He has a finesse game, I get it. But that doesn't mean he didn't equal a strong supporting cast.
Pau had a supporting cast better than Kobe in L.A. Which Kobe would have killed for.
In Pau Gasol's final season in Memphis he had Shane Battier, Hakim Warrick, Mike Miller , Damon Stoudamire , an aging Eddie Jones(34), Bobby Jackson,etc..... & the Grizzlies finished the season 22-60.
The previous season they finished barely ahead of the Lakers who started Luke Walton,Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, etc...& took the Suns to 7 games on season & 5 another.
The Grizzlies were 22-60 & never won a playoff game with Pau leading a roster Kobe would have killed for at the time considering.
Not taking anything away from Pau Gasol ,but putting his career /talent in perspective just as I have Bynums overrated contribution to the Lakers rings.
A reputation as a a 'soft euro' with a $60 million dollar contract, no playoff wins & a 22-60 record is a franchise dead end. In other words if Pau Gasol is your #1 player(& paid accordingly) your franchise is in trouble. Memphis realized this & made a decent trade for his younger brother/free cap space.
Not knocking Pau as he was basically the Lakers only hope, since Jim Buss stubbornly refused to trade Bynum at the time.(Buss loved Bynum & would not give him up even for a rumored Kidd or Garnett deal). The Lakers don't win 2 Rings without Gasol. Just putting him in perspective.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:34 pm to Tennessee Jed
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the fact is Duncan or Dirk won titles with the least impressive supporting cast.
Especially Duncans 2nd and 3rd title teams.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:43 pm to Tennessee Jed
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the fact is Lebron probably won his titles with the least impressive supporting cast.
You probably have an argument with the 2012-2013 version, but I don't think it holds for 2011-2012.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 4:56 pm to alexman
Mr Cartwright and Longley do not appreciate your lack of respect
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