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re: Is it safe to now talk about how mid level Mahomes has been?

Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:02 am to
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:02 am to
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That’s how they won so many games this year
No, it isn’t

They win so many games because their defense was awesome
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:18 am to
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And yes, his weapons aren’t great, but that’s kinda the point of an elite QB……You make your offense good no matter what


You mean like winning all your games and going to 5 super bowls in 7 years?

This shite gets you off so go on king, but be honest with yourself, how many QBs are you starting a team with before Mahomes?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:22 am to
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I am not talking about 1 game


Yeah you’re talking about 40 of them, of which they’ve won like 36, including a superbowl
Posted by Pedro
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:23 am to
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Last year making an adjustment without Tyreek, meh, I can see some growing pains, but it’s weird that their offense still looks so pedestrian.
last year was the second year of no hill
Posted by Pedro
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:24 am to
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Yeah you’re talking about 40 of them, of which they’ve won like 36, including a superbowl
I didn’t realize qb was the only position on the field…
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:26 am to
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This shite gets you off so go on king, but be honest with yourself, how many QBs are you starting a team with before Mahomes?
you think the Chiefs would be worse with Allen, Burrow, Jackson, Hebert, Goff, etc.

Mahomes just had a year that is statistically comparable to Bo Nix and you are acting like he had a top 5 season.
This post was edited on 2/10/25 at 9:27 am
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:27 am to
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you think the Chiefs would be worse with Allen, Burrow, Jackson, Hebert, Goff, etc.


Herbert, Goff, etc, absolutely
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:27 am to
He has absolutely been mediocre over the past few years.

Last night specifically though I legitimately don't think any QB would have made a difference in that game. You MIGHT have a chance with Vick or Lamar.

Even outside of the OL completely caving in, the Chiefs didn't do anything to help him. Its like they knew they wouldn't be able to run the ball going into the game (3 straight passes to start their first drive). They didn't give him many quick outs and even when they did the Eagles bottled them up for the most part.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:30 am to
Mahomes has had a Top 5 O Line for all 7 years in the league. The 2 times his line underperformed, both Super Bowls, he effectively lost by 40 in both.

Burrow deals with that type of shitty o line play week in and out. That’s why he is the modern GOAT.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:31 am to
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Its like they knew they wouldn't be able to run the ball going into the game (3 straight passes to start their first drive). They didn't give him many quick outs and even when they did the Eagles bottled them up for the most part.


It’s really interesting because Reid id a huge play script guy at the beginning of the game. I wonder if they were always were going to throw that much early or if they got off their script after the pick 6

These are the kinds of things I wouldn’t expect non ball knowers like pride to know or think about
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:32 am to
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you think the Chiefs would be worse with Allen, Burrow, Jackson, Hebert, Goff, etc.

Mahomes just had a year that is statistically comparable to Bo Nix and you are acting like he had a top 5 season.


When you watch him the individual arm talent is still very much there, and I think some of the throws he makes kind of make people forget about his performance as a whole sometimes. Kind of like a basketball player that is a bit mediocre but consistently makes highlight dunks (Josh Smith comes to mind).

I also think the offenses of the past two years for the Chiefs have been as bland as I can remember. Part of that I'm sure is personnel..... do they have even a top 15 player at any skill position other than TE? And Kelce has noticeably regressed.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:35 am to
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It’s really interesting because Reid id a huge play script guy at the beginning of the game. I wonder if they were always were going to throw that much early or if they got off their script after the pick 6



Well if you can hit some short outs and dink and dunk the ball down the field it can wear out a DL similar to how a run game can. If they assumed the run would be bottled up, I would guess this was the gameplan.

The problem is that you need a good enough OL that the other team has to blitz occasionally. If the DL is getting pressure in a cover 4 base its hard to do much of anything with the speed LBs have nowadays.
Posted by hashtag
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Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:45 am to
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Well if you can hit some short outs and dink and dunk the ball down the field it can wear out a DL similar to how a run game can. If they assumed the run would be bottled up, I would guess this was the gameplan.
well, Mahomes' didn't throw an accurate pass until the 4th quarter. So, a good bit of that is on him. I know people want to shite on his playmakers. And for good reason. He's dealt with a good bit of dropped passes the last 2 seasons.

But, Mahomes couldn't hit the broad side of a barn yesterday until the game was already decided. He was missing people that were wide open on key 3rd downs over and over again.
Posted by Froman
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Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:51 am to
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No, it isn’t


Yes, it is
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:54 am to
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Yes, it is
They did not win so many games the last two years because of their elite offense

They had the 15th scoring offense both years. Those numbers don’t lie
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:58 am to
He’s clutch when it matters, usually. But everybody has bad nights and even Brady lost Super Bowls. Mahomes will be fine.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
103947 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:59 am to
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He’s clutch when it matters, usually
To have the opportunity to be clutch the game needs to be close

And if you aren’t scoring alot of points the game can only be close if you lean and rely on your defense….

Which is what the chiefs have done the last two years
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:59 am to
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They did not win so many games the last two years because of their elite offense


They won them because they have one of the best QBs of all time making the play he has to make nearly every single time
Posted by Basinhunterfisher
Member since Feb 2018
571 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 10:26 am to
the defense has carried that team the last 2 years
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