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re: Is Coach K the greatest college basketball coach of all time?
Posted on 3/25/22 at 2:15 pm to LittleRockHog501
Posted on 3/25/22 at 2:15 pm to LittleRockHog501
Coach K can't be the greatest - he never coached Army into the NCAA tournament (Bobby Knight did with K as a player but declined the invitation).
This post was edited on 3/25/22 at 2:17 pm
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Posted on 3/25/22 at 2:43 pm to Streelman
Hell No
Posted on 3/25/22 at 4:03 pm to Streelman
No. Next question!
Posted on 3/25/22 at 4:11 pm to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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Bobby Knight is the goat. He taught Coach K how to win and be an a-hole.
Not even close and that piece shite is getting everything he has coming to him right now.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 4:19 pm to Streelman
Wooden won in an era where men’s basketball was similar to what women’s basketball was 20-25 years ago. Not much parity. Tournament field was smaller. Freshmen couldn’t play. Conferences could only send one team to the tournament until 1975.
Once the tournament expanded and more teams took basketball seriously, the field leveled off.
Once the tournament expanded and more teams took basketball seriously, the field leveled off.
This post was edited on 3/25/22 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 3/25/22 at 4:22 pm to Streelman
Yes
Posted on 3/25/22 at 5:05 pm to Keys Open Doors
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I think Knight was a great basketball mind but didn’t he recruit really well at Indiana?
Knight would have been considered the greatest coach ever if he didn't run so many of them off. Lawrence Funderburke and Jason Collier were two 1990's studs from Ohio that Knight ran off before they had nice careers at Ohio State, Georgia Tech, and the NBA for both. He didn't take care enough to keep Bird around, and there are plenty of others.
Local paper interviewed Collier about why he left Indiana and he basically said, "You have no idea...." One story he gave had something to do with Coach Knight lecturing them in the locker room with a hand full of feces.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 5:12 pm to Streelman
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Is Coach K the greatest college basketball coach of all time?
Given the sheer magnitude of his accomplishments, you have to give it to him especially doing it in the era he did it in when every school's on TV and there's more parity. Remember back in Wooden's day only a select few schools were on TV and recruiting was more regional and, since UCLA was always good under Wooden, he didn't have to do much recruiting once he made it because there were no real challengers at the time. Not the case with K once Duke started getting really good in the mid-late-80s.
That said, he isn't a big innovator when it comes to the sport of basketball. A lot of stuff he ran at Duke he copped from Bob Knight with the motion offense and man-to-man defense and he copped the 3-point-shooting they did from Pitino at Providence and Georgia Tech's Lethal Weapon 3. I thought Knight doing what he did at Indiana while maintaining a squeaky clean program was amazing, Indiana could've won more than the 3 titles they won with him which is still awesome. I like Dean Smith as an all-time coach, everything they did at Carolina those days became standard for coaching big-time basketball for the other schools next to what Knight did at Indiana and Wooden at UCLA.
Honestly, I consider Roy Williams in the same class as K, he won 3 titles at Carolina more than Smith and actually more than K (as of this date) from the moment he got that job so he more than held his own against K in the college basketball landscape. Carolina probably wins another if that Villanova player didn't make one of the all-time clutch shots ever.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 5:27 pm to ponysoldier
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(Bobby Knight did with K as a player but declined the invitation).
Which year was this? I know Army was a fixture in the NIT during those years (wayyyy more prestigious than later) and regularly led the nation in defense
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Coach K can't be the greatest - he never coached Army into the NCAA tournament
The fact he even got the job at Duke is amazing, remember Duke was coming off a trip to the Elite 8 in 80 with Gene Banks, Mike Gminski, Kenny Dennard, Vince Taylor, etc. coached by Bill Foster who coached them to the NCAA Finals in 78 and all K had to his name was a single NIT appearance at Army and a 9-17 record in 79-80. He really got the job because Tom Butters, Duke's AD at the time and heavily connected in the college basketball community, called Bob Knight and asked his opinion and Knight fought for Coach K to get the job. I can't imagine how incredulous the Dookies were then learning they just hired this guy with an almost unpronounceable last name and not very good coaching resume when they just had their most successful run in basketball to that point. Even more remarkable was that Butters extended K in the middle of his 4th year after 2 consecutive losing seasons and they were in the middle of a conference losing streak then. After that, the rest is history.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 7:12 pm to Streelman
He’s definitely in the pantheon of greatest cheaters.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 9:26 pm to MMauler
I mean anyone who pretends that Duke doesn’t cheat is either delusional or paid off, same with UCLA and Sam Gilbert
Posted on 3/25/22 at 9:50 pm to Streelman
Bill James once said if you split Rickey Henderson in two, you’ll have two Hall of Famers. If you split John Wooden in two, you have two top 5 college basketball coaches of all-time. His accomplishments are so immense that it puts him on a league of his own.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 9:53 pm to Streelman
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put a nobody on the map for 40 years.
For the last time, Duke was not a nobody before Coach K.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 10:09 pm to Streelman
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Is Coach K the greatest college basketball coach of all time?
Not Top 5
Posted on 3/25/22 at 10:20 pm to Bench McElroy
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Bill James once said if you split Rickey Henderson in two, you’ll have two Hall of Famers.
Vince Coleman chuckles at this notion.
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If you split John Wooden in two, you have two top 5 college basketball coaches of all-time. His accomplishments are so immense that it puts him on a league of his own.
Infinitely more accurate than the Henderson statement.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 10:55 pm to TheTexasTiger7
quote:I seen it.
Keith Smart was actually a transfer he got over, and he has the most known shot in IU basketball history.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:31 am to Jb1994
quote:Yep they played in the national title game two years before he was hired and went 24-8 the year before he was hired and his first 3 years were awful there. You are correct in that many there wanted him fired after his third year. I would say in this day and age taking a winning program and starting out as poorly as he did would absolutely have gotten him fired.
Duke wasn't exactly a nobody before he got there. They played in the title game just a few seasons before he got there. In fact they almost fired him early in his tenure
But they didn't and the rest is history. Now I think the narrative that he did it the right way is farcical but that's a whole other thread.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:43 am to TheTexasTiger7
Yeah, Knight sometimes would will his teams to victory. His 87 team is the prime example. K always seemed to have superior talent.....even when he lost
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:51 am to Streelman
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:54 am to KiwiHead
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Yeah, Knight sometimes would will his teams to victory. His 87 team is the prime example.
Ironically that 87 Knight team was very lucky to get by a less talented LSU team in the Elite 8 that had them beat had Dale not gone 4 corners late and Fess missed those free throws. Or if Knight had gotten that second technical he should have and been tossed from the game.
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