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re: Is Bubba Wallace a Contendor?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:30 am to FightinTigersDammit
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:30 am to FightinTigersDammit
"Mr Excitement" caused wrecks every week
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:32 am to ChestRockwell
At least the woke or entitled drivers in F1 are at least good 

Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:39 am to SteelerBravesDawg
Bubba Wallace:
Total Cup (256 Races):
Average Starting Position: 19.6
Average Finishing Position: 19.8
Wins: 2
Poles: 3
Lead Lap Finishes: 131 (52.1%)
With 23XI (144 Races):
Average Starting Position: 13.7
Average Finishing Position: 19.6
Wins: 2
Poles: 3
Lead Lap Finishes: 96 (66.7%)
Xfinity (88 Races)
Average Starting Position: 12.9
Average Finishing Position: 14
Wins: 0
Poles: 2
Truck (51 Races)
Average Starting Position: 10.7
Average Finishing Position: 10.7
Wins: 6
Poles: 3
He is firmly in mid pack. I don't think he deserves to be out of Cup. I do think that if he wasn't who he is, the illusion of success would be quite different. Alex Bowman has similar performance overall and is probably in the hot seat at HMS.
I have this same opinion about Daniel Suarez and Austin Dillon.
Total Cup (256 Races):
Average Starting Position: 19.6
Average Finishing Position: 19.8
Wins: 2
Poles: 3
Lead Lap Finishes: 131 (52.1%)
With 23XI (144 Races):
Average Starting Position: 13.7
Average Finishing Position: 19.6
Wins: 2
Poles: 3
Lead Lap Finishes: 96 (66.7%)
Xfinity (88 Races)
Average Starting Position: 12.9
Average Finishing Position: 14
Wins: 0
Poles: 2
Truck (51 Races)
Average Starting Position: 10.7
Average Finishing Position: 10.7
Wins: 6
Poles: 3
He is firmly in mid pack. I don't think he deserves to be out of Cup. I do think that if he wasn't who he is, the illusion of success would be quite different. Alex Bowman has similar performance overall and is probably in the hot seat at HMS.
I have this same opinion about Daniel Suarez and Austin Dillon.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:44 am to Monday
I mean, judging by those stats it's clear why his face is on every single NASCAR promo 

Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:45 am to Lutcher Lad
Contender to win a championship? Absolutely not.
Contender to win a race every now and then? Barely, but sure.
Contender to win a race every now and then? Barely, but sure.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 11:01 am to ChestRockwell
I used to say you could count on three things at Bristol:
1- Some nobodies will wind up in the top ten
2- Some stars will finish in the thirties
3- Jimmy Spencer will have an impact
1- Some nobodies will wind up in the top ten
2- Some stars will finish in the thirties
3- Jimmy Spencer will have an impact
Posted on 2/17/25 at 11:14 am to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:
He has finished second at Daytona in 2018 and 2022 and he won the Duel at Daytona. So yes he's a contender. He has won a NASCAR race and he is in the top half of points most seasons. He is a contender in that sense. He wouldn't have a ride this long if he was truly a bad driver. If Dick Trickle and Dickie May had rides then Bubba is worthy.
He is feasting on the best equipment by MJ. You say he is top half in points most years thats a fallacy. He is normally in the 16 range. If you know Nascar there are only maybe 20 viable teams, and he finishes low in that comparison.
And if you know anything about Daytona its a plate track where luck is the decider not talent.
Then go look at Reddick. He comes into the same team and makes the so called Final 4 race. In same equipment Bubba has. Its not even close how good Reddick is compared to how bad Bubba is comparatively.
Then add in Bubba assaulted an Asian in the infield grass on live TV. Then pushed away a Nascar official. And got a light sentence so to speak.
Then add in he ran with a fake story about a fake noose which was a garage pull.
Also to add, Nascar/TV places him in ads and that is 100% DEI related not talent.
Summary conclusion. DEI hire. Put other racers in lesser equipment in his car and they would compete for titles. His biggest feat is competing to just make top 16 in best equipment on pit road. And struggles with that.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 11:23 am to OU Guy
After last night its now 80 races since Bubba has won. And Reddick is his teammate and competes every week.

This post was edited on 2/17/25 at 11:29 am
Posted on 2/17/25 at 11:24 am to Lutcher Lad
He's on a team capable of winning the title but he's a distant second to Tyler Reddick in the 45 when it comes to talent and results.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 11:31 am to OU Guy
Yep. It's not like he has bad equipment.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 11:48 am to Gifman
quote:He was vocal about the other stuff before the incident at Talladega for anyone who follows the sport. Pretty much since he got into the 43 at RPM. He was pretty open about it with Dale Jr and other podcasters when questioned because of the BLM movement and other stuff especially given the Air Force was one of his top sponsors.
But the root of him jumping into the BLM scene had nothing to do with cops.
The noose thing was also secondary to the backlash he was given because he was asked point blank how he felt about Confederate flags being displayed at the track and gave his honest opinion that because of how he grew up and where he grew up you never knew what the intent was behind that flag and it could be uneasy. Then the garage pull at the first race at Dega since NASCAR banned the Confederate flag that incident happened after he received a lot of targeted hate over his comments about the flag being displayed. IIRC his team is who called in NASCAR to investigate because someone cut the pull off and it was found on some of their equipment. NASCAR called in the FBI because they were very aware of the backlash he was getting and not investigating could open them up to criticism. He 100% leaned into it and if what came out about him not even seeing the garage pull but his team being the ones to call it in is true...then I get why he leaned into it.
Dude took a lot of shite over the flag on social media and in person (still does). He earns some of the boos because of his on track antics, and sure some disagreement over some of the leaning he did into the stuff at Talladega. Then again a lot of the animosity is because people didn't read the facts as presented and understand the backstory there like in your post, or maybe a large portion of the fanbase is pretty racist and that incident just gave them an excuse to showcase that and they are leaning into it.

Posted on 2/17/25 at 12:03 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:m
The noose thing was also secondary to the backlash he was given
False… the “noose thing” is what he’s known best for. He’ll never escape it.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 12:06 pm to AwesomeSauce
People also forget that every driver in the garage, led by Kevin Harvick and Jimmie Johnson, walked with him in solidarity on pit road at Dega before the race. So if you are going to get on Bubba for "bending the knee", the criticism needs to go to Harvick and every other driver in that garage or you're a hypocrite.
Also, Bubba is one of the most-liked drivers in the garage. His 2 best friends are Chase Elliott and Ryan Blaney, two good 'ol boys who don't suffer fools(especially Chase).
Also, Bubba is one of the most-liked drivers in the garage. His 2 best friends are Chase Elliott and Ryan Blaney, two good 'ol boys who don't suffer fools(especially Chase).
Posted on 2/17/25 at 12:41 pm to TT9
NASCAR ran with the lie about the noose. NASCAR, Bubba and all the drivers knew it wasn’t true and yet they did nothing! They promote him relentlessly because he’s black. If he were white he wouldn’t even be in the sport
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:11 pm to Lutcher Lad
He's a product of the DEI movement, in my opinion. Can't see him ever being a top contender. I'm sick of how they "promote" him after the "noose" fiasco.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:13 pm to Gifman
quote:No..he was already under backlash because the 'Good Ol Boy' fans blamed him for NASCAR banning the confederate flag. Which after the threats and backlash directed at him over that is why NASCAR took the noose thing as a serious threat when it obviously was nothing more than a garage pull. The fact the pull was found on his equipment the first trip to Talladega after the flag ban was a huge coincidence, but NASCAR and his team did not see it that way.
False… the “noose thing” is what he’s known best for. He’ll never escape it.
quote:I am very much aware of the timeline and what was occurring in and around the sport at the time. The garage pull/noose thing may have trumped the initial backlash from the flag being banned, but that was not what started the Bubba hate.
False
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:19 pm to AwesomeSauce
I don't hate him. I just don't care for his attitude. I just refer to him as "Crybaby"!
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:23 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:
People also forget that every driver in the garage, led by Kevin Harvick and Jimmie Johnson, walked with him in solidarity on pit road at Dega before the race.
Look, that was Nascar at its finest scripting a Hollywood style made for TV woke moment. They made this quietly mandatory and if you didn’t support the sham you would end up paying the Nascar price with many tools in their arsenal. Nascar controls EVERYTHING that happens on pit road and this was no exception. Drivers had to bend the knee to wokeness to show solidarity with the woke Nascar leaders.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 1:26 pm to bamafan1953
quote:Same. Dude is Shrub in his early days with his attitude and criticism of others, but with less talent. Completely legitimate reason to not like a driver. I also understand the criticism of him getting backlash because he is featured in most advertisements...mainly because NASCAR doesn't really have a ton of diversity. I mean...the drive for diversity campaign has had some success, but the biggest one is a dirt track driver who know one knew was part Asian who got sidelined for a year for dropping an N-bomb on live TV. They kinda have to lean into Bubba a little bit to help them on that front. That's not something he is causing, but rather the lack of diversity in the sport.
I just don't care for his attitude. I just refer to him as "Crybaby"
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