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re: Is Brady already the GOAT?
Posted on 2/4/18 at 3:27 pm to SpeckTigerLure
Posted on 2/4/18 at 3:27 pm to SpeckTigerLure
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Then the argument becomes the size of the league compared to today but my biggest argument against today’s game is how much the game has changed regarding protection of the QB position. Tom Brady or any of today’s senior QB’s could not have extended their careers if yesterday’s rules were in play and anyone who says otherwise knows zero about the game 20-30 years ago period
If today's rules were in play 20-30 years ago, Joe Montana might've been able to extend his career like 5-7 years, maybe same with Roger Staubach they endured incredibly vicious hits/sacks
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Posted on 2/4/18 at 3:38 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Brady is the GOAT QB.
It is really not even a discussion anymore.
The only people who dispute it are the ones who hate him.
It is really not even a discussion anymore.
The only people who dispute it are the ones who hate him.
Posted on 2/4/18 at 3:39 pm to Nonetheless
I’m not the biggest fan and yes, he is already the GOAT. People that say no don’t follow football closely.
Posted on 2/4/18 at 3:50 pm to stonedbegonias
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Brady is the greatest passing QB to ever play the game. It’s kinda obvious actually.
He’s not even the best of his generation in that regard
Posted on 2/4/18 at 3:53 pm to H-Town Tiger
5× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI)
4× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XLIX, LI)
13× Pro Bowl (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009–2017)
3× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010, 2017)
2× Second-team All-Pro (2005, 2016)
3× NFL Most Valuable Player (2007, 2010, 2017)
2× NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010)
NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009)
Bert Bell Award (2007)
Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year (2007)
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2005)
3× NFL passing yards leader (2005, 2007, 2017)
4× NFL passing touchdowns leader (2002, 2007, 2010, 2015)
2× NFL passer rating leader (2007, 2010)
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
National champion (1997)
4× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XLIX, LI)
13× Pro Bowl (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009–2017)
3× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010, 2017)
2× Second-team All-Pro (2005, 2016)
3× NFL Most Valuable Player (2007, 2010, 2017)
2× NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010)
NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009)
Bert Bell Award (2007)
Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year (2007)
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2005)
3× NFL passing yards leader (2005, 2007, 2017)
4× NFL passing touchdowns leader (2002, 2007, 2010, 2015)
2× NFL passer rating leader (2007, 2010)
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
National champion (1997)
Posted on 2/4/18 at 3:56 pm to Houma Sapien
He's gonna end up on two all decade teams
Posted on 2/4/18 at 4:03 pm to H-Town Tiger
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He’s not even the best of his generation in that regard
Most of these conversations are mired by the fact that people apply two completely different criteria for determining GOAT status: great passers and great winners.
Great passers: Manning, Elway, Marino, Favre
Great winners: Brady, Montana, Unitas, Graham
Ultimately, the Brady--Manning debate will not be resolved unless someone comes along who is both a great passer and a great winner.
Posted on 2/4/18 at 4:10 pm to Houma Sapien
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5× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI) 4× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XLIX, LI)
Those have nothing to do with passing. The guy said best passing QB he’s not as good a passer as Manning or Rodgers.
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3× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010, 2017) 2× Second-team All-Pro (2005, 2016) 3× NFL Most Valuable Player (2007, 2010, 2017)
2× NFL passer rating leader (2007, 2010)
See Not the best passer of his generation.
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Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2005)
What does that have to do with passing
do you have Tom Brady PJs with feet to wear every night quote:
National champion (1997)
So is JaMaecus Russell
Posted on 2/4/18 at 4:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
So Brian Griese winning a title is added to Brady’s column as a winning QB?
If the refs on that final drive Wazzu had the ball not been incompetent who knows if Leaf wins it?
If the refs on that final drive Wazzu had the ball not been incompetent who knows if Leaf wins it?
This post was edited on 2/4/18 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 2/4/18 at 4:38 pm to TxTiger82
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Most of these conversations are mired by the fact that people apply two completely different criteria for determining GOAT status: great passers and great winners.
Passing is the skill a QB can control. Winning is a product of team. All the guys you listed below as winners were also good passers and the passers you listed won except Marino. Brady and Montana are 2 most mentioned as GOAT. Both played and won multiple SB with coaches considered the GOAT in their time and for stable organizations with owners that put winning first.
P Manning won with Dungy and Gary Kubiak he got to a SB with Jim Caldwell and John Fox
In the end it’s largely a “who’s the hottest model in the swimsuit issue?
Posted on 2/4/18 at 4:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Those have nothing to do with passing. The guy said best passing QB he’s not as good a passer as Manning or Rodgers
Pretty sure passing had something to do with all those titles.
Secondly, Manning had a much better corps of receivers than Brady ever had. Does Manning deserve the credit of his receivers?
Posted on 2/4/18 at 4:50 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Passing is the skill a QB can control. Winning is a product of team.
Yes, it is clear where you stand on the issue. One could argue, however, that the QB also controls winning more than any other single player on the field.
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All the guys you listed below as winners were also good passers
But not as good at passing as the great passers.
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and the passers you listed won except Marino
But not as much as the great winners.
See what I'm getting at here? You're just arguing with me for the sake of arguing, and that's kind of the point.
Posted on 2/4/18 at 5:29 pm to Houma Sapien
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National champion (1997)
Posted on 2/4/18 at 5:31 pm to Nonetheless
I think Aaron Rodgers is better.
Posted on 2/4/18 at 6:28 pm to Houma Sapien
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Pretty sure passing had something to do with all those titles.
They couldn’t win if he couldn’t pass but winning is a product of team, so winning more doesn’t make you a better passer. Is Troy Aikman a top 4 passer? He’s 4 in SB wins.
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Secondly, Manning had a much better corps of receivers than Brady ever had.
This is grossly overrated. People say this because of Harrison and Wayne compared to NE WR at that time. But that’s a great example of the difference in the franchises. Indy put more in to skill positions, NE on D. And Brady had Moss and Gronk and Manning set record in Denver with who exactly?
This post was edited on 2/4/18 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 2/4/18 at 6:37 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:This is a stupid point. They had only one opportunity and when they went 11-5 the Patriots didn't make the playoffs because of how good the AFC was that year.
How many Super Bowls and Super Bowl victories those subpar QBs lead their teams to? OH WAIT, ZERO!!!
Do you really believe that NE wouldn't have won as many Superbowls with Montana, Marino or Rodgers as QB? You don't know what you're talking about if you do.
Posted on 2/4/18 at 7:28 pm to Jake88
No, it’s not a stupid point idiot, I’m pointing out how stupid it is for idiots to raise that point to minimize TB12 when he’s the one with rings and those others aren’t therefore he’s championship clutch GOAT boiiii also great from a stat standpoint as well
Posted on 2/4/18 at 7:29 pm to Nonetheless
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Is Brady already the GOAT?
They could get blanked from here on out and dude is the GOAT without question. Anyone doubting needs to have their head examined. It's like Skip Bayless saying Nick Saban isn't the GOAT college football coach.
Posted on 2/4/18 at 10:20 pm to ThePTExperience1969
It's a stupid point. They didn't have the chance to play more than one season. Those QBs did nothing when they left NE. With the Patriots' system, they looked damn good, especially Matt Cassel.
Posted on 2/4/18 at 10:47 pm to Jake88
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It's a stupid point. They didn't have the chance to play more than one season. Those QBs did nothing when they left NE. With the Patriots' system, they looked damn good, especially Matt Cassel.
You're actually making my point with your answer because TB12 has led teams to 8 SB appearances and 5 rings and those players within the Patriots system didn't even make the playoffs or do anything substantial to justify minimizing Tom. That all you got? You're really bad at arguing dude. GTFO hater
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