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re: Is a lockout actually what college sports needs?
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:42 am to wildtigercat93
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:42 am to wildtigercat93
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The madness is from the untethered player movement, not from them getting paid.
It's the combination of the two, but the transfer portal is the only one that can be easily fixed.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:44 am to Bigdawgb
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How is it that the 5 year rule is agreed upon & honored,
Not for long
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Or is it something that just hasn't already been challenged legally?
Those challenges have started. Most notably, Diego Pavia prevailed in a lawsuit arguing that the two years he spent in JUCO shouldn't count against his eligibility. That's why he will be playing his 6th year of CFB: 2 in JUCO, 2 at New Mexico St., now 2 at Vandy. The lawsuit laid the groundwork for other challenges arguing the 5 to play 4 rule is a violation of the Sherman Act. The NCAA is trying to avoid those challenges by proposing a blanket 5 years eligibility rule...but that will be challenged too by guys who aren't good enough to play in the NFL or NBA, but good enough to make 6-7 figures annually through NIL at the college level.
It's not far fetched to see the next horizon being "career" college players. Guys that as long as a college will enroll them as a student they will be eligible to play sports. You may have 7, 8, 9, 10 year college players.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:49 am to mdomingue
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but the transfer portal is the only one that can be easily fixed.
Not really.
Initially the rule was a pause on the 1 year transfer penalty because of the cancelation of many seasons in 20-21. Then it quickly changed to a "1 free transfer" rule. Almost immediately, that was challenged by AGs essentially on behalf of guys who had transferred 2x and didn't want to sit out a year (most notably the UNC WR and WVU basketball players). The players won and now there are no penalties for transferring.
The NCAA has tried to limit the freedom of transferring since stupidly letting the genie out of the bottle in 2020. They've lost at every step.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:49 am to cbree88
I would walk away and never come back to college athletics if they did a lock out tomorrow.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:50 am to cbree88
I'd love a lockout. And a reset.
Let the players that want to earn money playing sportsball figure out their own league. Let colleges find athletes from among the students there to earn a degree.
I'd support the shite out of the first school to take a stand and step away from this lunacy.
Let the players that want to earn money playing sportsball figure out their own league. Let colleges find athletes from among the students there to earn a degree.
I'd support the shite out of the first school to take a stand and step away from this lunacy.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:50 am to cbree88
1. Institute a salary cap based on FCS,FBS, etc. not based on the size of the school. So Texas would have the same salary cap as TCU.
2. Make players sign actual contracts. The length can be from 1-4 years.
3. Players are locked into their contract and cannot enter the transfer portal until the end of the contract. If they sit out they are fined.
These steps would prioritize talent evaluation above who can write the biggest check.
2. Make players sign actual contracts. The length can be from 1-4 years.
3. Players are locked into their contract and cannot enter the transfer portal until the end of the contract. If they sit out they are fined.
These steps would prioritize talent evaluation above who can write the biggest check.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:58 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Second: why? Why does NIL amount bother people so much?
If you cap annual NIL compensation, it stops the bidding war that schools get into for players.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:56 am to JimTiger72
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who decided to just make it a free for all with unlimited NIL & transfers??
God
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:57 am to McDonaldsBagMan
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Implement a max for per annum player NIL compensation as well as a cap for program NIL spend, make players sit out a year if they want to transfer, and this shite goes away.
Agreed.
After that we can focus on lowering healthcare costs by capping CEO and doctor pay!!
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:40 am to JohnnyKilroy
Make a minor league system for NFL and NBA. I get that NBA has the G-league, but it's a joke. Maybe I just don't follow it as closely, but baseball doesn't seem to have the crazy transfer problem. Sure you have some swapping for money and of course kids going to bigger schools for more exposure, but the sport seems to be doing just fine.
Let NFL teams draft and pay directly out of high school. If you want to set a rule you can't play in the NFL until 20 for "player safety," then fine, but these baws are playing against grown arse men in college anyway as freshmen. Every team gets their own minor league team for development. Set up a rule similar to baseball's rule 5 draft where after 3 or 4 years any team can make a claim so you can't just stockpile talent forever. College sports has basically turned into the minor leagues anyway, so let's let them stop pretending to play school and get paid.
Yeah, college football will have a quality drop-off. But you'll get to see kids who actually want to be there or are playing for a shot to prove they can go professional, rather than the ones waiting their 3 years and are only at school because they have to be and because their current campus was the highest bidder.
You can do it for the WNBA too I guess but let's be honest those ladies will get paid more in 4 years or college than their entire pro career.
Let NFL teams draft and pay directly out of high school. If you want to set a rule you can't play in the NFL until 20 for "player safety," then fine, but these baws are playing against grown arse men in college anyway as freshmen. Every team gets their own minor league team for development. Set up a rule similar to baseball's rule 5 draft where after 3 or 4 years any team can make a claim so you can't just stockpile talent forever. College sports has basically turned into the minor leagues anyway, so let's let them stop pretending to play school and get paid.
Yeah, college football will have a quality drop-off. But you'll get to see kids who actually want to be there or are playing for a shot to prove they can go professional, rather than the ones waiting their 3 years and are only at school because they have to be and because their current campus was the highest bidder.
You can do it for the WNBA too I guess but let's be honest those ladies will get paid more in 4 years or college than their entire pro career.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:53 am to McDonaldsBagMan
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Implement a max for per annum player NIL compensation
commuism
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:56 am to JimTiger72
quote:The NCAA did it to themselves. They could have faced reality and implemented new rules to allow limited player compensation (which the players would have gladly accepted because Pandora's Box had not yet been opened) before the Supreme Court decided the case. Instead they decided to fight to the bitter end and when they (foreseeably) lost, they threw their hands up, said frick you, and made it a free for all which led to the mess we're in now.
I’m all for players getting paid but who decided to just make it a free for all with unlimited NIL & transfers??
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:58 am to CBandits82
I think the rule should be one free transfer and after that you must sit a year if you transfer again
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:00 am to cbree88
Things would get worse. Making thousands of teenagers workers with lawyers, Unions and agents.
Yeah. Good times.
Yeah. Good times.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:03 am to 88Wildcat
Player union is needed but players and their "handlers" (aka leeching parents and lawyers) are going to fight that tooth and nail because the current free for all setup maximizes the possible amount of money they can extract from the schools/collectives.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:04 am to lsubatman1
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Intresting proposel. Counter argument, how can you keep the same schools from getting all the talent? Do the victors not go the spoils? Why punish a team that build there program to the top only to say "youve had enough, someone elses turn now bud" doesnt seem very fare and sounds very communist if you ask me.
You can do it for the same reasons that the NFL put the salary cap in place so that the richest franchises can’t just buy up all the players and win every year.
It’s better for more people overall if you have a competitive sport because it makes the sport more interesting and more popular. Once again, see the NFL.
Also, there’s nothing new about capitalism having some regulations and constraints in place for the betterment of everyone. It stops a lot of abuse by the big players in the market, and it actually allows free capitalism to continue to exist and to function well.
Sometimes when big companies take over a market, they try to create monopolies by imposing barriers to entry and squashing competition. This makes it so that competition is reduced and that particular free capitalist market can no longer function. Regulations basically put some guide rails on the free market in order to allow fair competition to continue to happen, which is always better for consumers. When companies have to compete against each other, it encourages innovation and efficiency. This produces better products and better prices for consumers. It’s why we break up monopolies in America.
These same economic concepts can be applied to college athletics.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 11:06 am
Posted on 5/8/25 at 4:08 pm to cbree88
A simple rule of if you transfer without permission you have to pay back all NIL money would solve the transfer issue but could be hidden under a different guise
Posted on 5/8/25 at 4:18 pm to thenza
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The people you’d be seeking to come to some sort of compromise with are teenagers who don’t even the legal capacity to agree to terms.
There aren’t many 17 year olds in major college football…
This is why to do it. The players need to play college football more than the major colleges need to have teams.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 4:45 pm to lsubatman1
Just give every team 'X' amount of points to spend on up to 25 new 'scholarship' recruits every year, and those points can't carry over if you don't use them.
'X' amount would be equal to the sum of 95 points.
If you want to offer a five-star recruit, if the recruit accepts, that's a 5 point deduction from the total available points. A four-star recruit is 4 points.
A team could have 2x 5-stars, 15x 4-stars and 8x 3-stars for 94 points. However, if they can land an additional 5-star, they could either (a) let go of a 4-star recruit and use the extra points, or, (b) let go of two 3-star recruits. Now, they have two points left, so if a 5-star can be signed, you pull another offer from a 3-star.
As for the star ratings, use the top 4 ratings services and make a composite score for each player out of the average for all four services.
Under that, every team has the same opportunity, although some of the smaller schools would want that number 95 to be reduced to 80-85.
'X' amount would be equal to the sum of 95 points.
If you want to offer a five-star recruit, if the recruit accepts, that's a 5 point deduction from the total available points. A four-star recruit is 4 points.
A team could have 2x 5-stars, 15x 4-stars and 8x 3-stars for 94 points. However, if they can land an additional 5-star, they could either (a) let go of a 4-star recruit and use the extra points, or, (b) let go of two 3-star recruits. Now, they have two points left, so if a 5-star can be signed, you pull another offer from a 3-star.
As for the star ratings, use the top 4 ratings services and make a composite score for each player out of the average for all four services.
Under that, every team has the same opportunity, although some of the smaller schools would want that number 95 to be reduced to 80-85.
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