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re: In which sport is the GoAT most clearly the GoAT?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 3:16 pm to molsusports
Posted on 5/10/12 at 3:16 pm to molsusports
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before nadal and federer there was agassi and sampras and before them there was bjorn borg and johnny mac
people forget (or never knew) that borg won 11 tennis majors in between 1974 and 1981
I contend that this era is even better than the aforementioned two.
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 3:18 pm to bobbyray21
what's your rationale for that belief?
racket technology has made the game faster but probably less athletically demanding IMO... although I like watching big serves at some level I think there's also more skill involved with wooden rackets
racket technology has made the game faster but probably less athletically demanding IMO... although I like watching big serves at some level I think there's also more skill involved with wooden rackets
Posted on 5/10/12 at 3:19 pm to molsusports
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although I like watching big serves at some level I think there's also more skill involved with wooden rackets
its not that big of a difference imo. ive played with both rackets and the sweet spot is relatively the same size. the weight is the big difference
Posted on 5/10/12 at 3:22 pm to Deactived
the touch is different and the velocity is different
the new ones are "better" for the user but I think the game is more demanding and better television if it were played with wooden rackets
the new ones are "better" for the user but I think the game is more demanding and better television if it were played with wooden rackets
Posted on 5/10/12 at 4:00 pm to molsusports
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what's your rationale for that belief?
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I do think McEnroe was a unique talent whose flame burned out a little bit too quick. Borg, though, was a guy whose fitness was outstanding but his strokes weren't all that great. I think all three of those guys expose him on any surface in a prime vs. prime matchup.
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Have you read Agassi's book? He talks about playing Nadal for the first time, and says that he "couldn't even fathom" Nadal. And this is when Nadal was like 18 or 19. He also speaks of Federer as being the best player of all time. To me, this suggests that this new era ushered in a higher level of tennis than has ever been played before.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 4:01 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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Completely unrelated to this thread, but Nadal just lost to Verdasco for the first time ever in the round of 16 at Madrid. I wonder when the last time he lost so early on clay was
And he was down a double break in the third set. WTF?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 4:23 pm to partywiththelombardi
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Baseball
Ken Griffey Jr.
What?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 4:25 pm to VerlanderBEAST
have you mentioned blake griffin yet? He's at least the best wing man ever 
Posted on 5/10/12 at 4:31 pm to bobbyray21
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I do think McEnroe was a unique talent whose flame burned out a little bit too quick. Borg, though, was a guy whose fitness was outstanding but his strokes weren't all that great. I think all three of those guys expose him on any surface in a prime vs. prime matchup.
If they played with wooden rackets I think Borg would have absolutely destroyed Sampras, Agassi, and Federer... but maybe not Nadal (would have loved to see those two play)
Borg's fitness was unparalleled and his game in general is greatly under-appreciated as time has passed
Posted on 5/10/12 at 4:36 pm to bobbyray21
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I do think McEnroe was a unique talent whose flame burned out a little bit too quick
I don't think it burned out - the game got better with more dynamic rackets and caught up with power - playing the angles wasn't going to cut it.
Look I loved Mac, but his game was sort of a limited one-trick pony.
Borg was a far better player.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 4:37 pm to molsusports
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If they played with wooden rackets I think Borg would have absolutely destroyed Sampras, Agassi, and Federer...
NO DOUBT!!!!!!!!
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Borg's fitness was unparalleled and his game in general is greatly under-appreciated as time has passed
He would beat Nadal on any surface.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 4:37 pm to TigerBait1127
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have you mentioned blake griffin yet? He's at least the best wing man ever
I've seen a few of these references. Who tried to claim this and what was the context?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 5:01 pm to TigerBait1127
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have you mentioned blake griffin yet? He's at least the best wing man ever
Definitely!
Posted on 5/10/12 at 5:02 pm to dukke v
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He would beat Nadal on any surface.
Easy there!
Posted on 5/10/12 at 5:04 pm to molsusports
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If they played with wooden rackets I think Borg would have absolutely destroyed Sampras, Agassi, and Federer... but maybe not Nadal (would have loved to see those two play)
Borg's fitness was unparalleled and his game in general is greatly under-appreciated as time has passed
So do you contend that the Borg/McEnroe era was the best?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 5:07 pm to bobbyray21
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So do you contend that the Borg/McEnroe era was the best?
eh, I would just say that each era is different and generally speaking people who claim that today's era of sports is better are just not very aware of the great players from other eras
Posted on 5/10/12 at 5:07 pm to REG861
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I've seen a few of these references. Who tried to claim this and what was the context?
Verlanderbeast stated that Blake Griffin is the greatest wing on the fast break in NBA history
Posted on 5/10/12 at 5:08 pm to bobbyray21
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He would beat Nadal on any surface.
Easy there!
With a wooden racket??? YES he would.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 5:09 pm to SammyTiger
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The 1.5 years he took off are the only years the bulls didn't win the championship. THey could have won 8 in a row. Thats nuts. I think Basketball is more competitive, because more people play.
I guess your fuzzy math left off the part where Jordan was playing in 1995 for 3 months before they were booted out of the playoffs by the Magic.
My list
Kobe
Babe Ruth
Gretzky
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 5/10/12 at 5:13 pm to theunknownknight
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My list
Kobe
Babe Ruth
Gretzky
PLEASE JUST STOP POSTING. Yo are an idiot.
PROTEIN SHAKE DRINKIN DUMBASS!!! KOBE is not even close.
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