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re: I'm seeing way too many commentators giving Bill Belichick a pass
Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:55 am to Jcorye1
Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:55 am to Jcorye1
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That's oversimplifying it.
Not really. Gronk wanted to play with Brady. It's as simple as that. Back in September 2018 he told reporters he wasn't going to play anywhere without Tom Brady. But he didn't want to play for Belichick anymore so he retired. As soon as his man crush went to a new team and asked Gronk to come play with him, Gronk came to play with him.
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Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:55 am to RollTide1987
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You can actually. Gronk was retired and then came out of retirement when Brady went to Tampa Bay. This isn't coincidence. Sure, the Patriots traded Gronk to the Bucs because the Patriots had already attempted to trade him once before. When Gronk signaled he wanted to come out of retirement and play for Tampa, Belichick immediately gave him his blessing because, quite frankly, Belichick didn't want him anymore.
The Patriots had to trade him, they were over the cap and he had a 10 million dollar cap hold.
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Yeah, Belichick released him when the going got tough. Brady told Arians to take another chance on him and it paid off.
Kraft made that call. Belicheck didn’t want to release brown and was the one who really pushed for the move
Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:55 am to TEOTWAWKI
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No doubt Tom has cemented Billy as the most overrated coach in the history of sports.
The Patriots won Superbiwls with Brady posting state lines like:
16/27 145 yards 1 TD
21/35 262 0 TD 1 Pick
Yeah Tom really dragged those teams across the finish line.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 11:19 am to RollTide1987
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Not really. Gronk wanted to play with Brady. It's as simple as that. Back in September 2018 he told reporters he wasn't going to play anywhere without Tom Brady. But he didn't want to play for Belichick anymore so he retired. As soon as his man crush went to a new team and asked Gronk to come play with him, Gronk came to play with him.
So again, it has nothing to do with Brady being a "better GM" than Belichick. Unless you want to argue that Brady told Gronkowski that his un-retirement would push the Patriots over the cap and force them to trade him. Even then, that's a stretch.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 11:21 am to RollTide1987
Brady is great. Belichick is great. Why can't we just leave it at that? It takes all time greats in both spots (coach and QB) to have a long, sustained run like that.
Bill deserves a good bit of credit for milking 7 wins out of this New England team.
Bill deserves a good bit of credit for milking 7 wins out of this New England team.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 11:31 am to VADawg
Yes Bill basically built the teams that they won A SB with... Brady was very important but you can take away a bunch of SB’S that Brady has won without great defensive play.... that is fact.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 11:40 am to lsupride87
quote:so much so they hadn’t made the playoffs in 13 years
They were fricking loaded everywhere
Posted on 2/9/21 at 11:45 am to chalmetteowl
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so much so they hadn’t made the playoffs in 13 years
They went 7-9 in 2019 despite being -13 in turnovers. Yeah, that was a loaded team with a Jameis Winston interception problem.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:02 pm to VADawg
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Brady is great. Belichick is great. Why can't we just leave it at that?
Sports shock jock TV segments have melted people’s brains.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:30 pm to wildtigercat93
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I’ll take the 2 world championships and 3 Super Bowl appearances during that stretch (or two super bowl runs and 1 ring if you don’t want to count 2016)
1 SB
Jimmy G was on 2 Pats SB teams.
The only SB they won since trading Jimmy G was the Rams one when Tom threw 0 TDS and a Pick. And they won 13-3.
Again, is there any team out there better with Can Newton than Tom Brady?
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:36 pm to RollTide1987
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he also refused to acknowledge Brady as a vital cog in his machine
Or he objectively and dispassionately decided that the 43 year old QB's asking price was too much. Better to part ways a year early than a year late. Brady was a huge part of the Pats' success. But Bill didn't want to be stuck with an outsized contract for a player who could suddenly hit the wall. There are no villains here.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:46 pm to SammyTiger
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Jimmy G was on 2 Pats SB teams.
The only SB they won since trading Jimmy G was the Rams one when Tom threw 0 TDS and a Pick. And they won 13-3.
I include the 2016 run because that’s when the Jimmy/Tom rumors started. I also qualified that in my post.
They also lost a SB where he threw for 500 yards and 3 TDs. That kind of thing sorts itself out. Oh yeah he also won NFL MVP that season.
Since 2017 Brady has thrown for over 17k yards, starter every game, thrown for over 4K yards every single season, won 2 Super Bowls and went to 3, with a Super Bowl MVP and a regular season MVP award
Jimmy on the other hand hasn’t thrown for 4K once, hasn’t started a full season except for once, and has 1 Super Bowl appearance against essentially the same team and wasn’t able to close it out and missed a wide open game winning TD. He’s thrown for over 20 TDs once in his career. Brady has done it every season since 2017 when Jimmy went to the 9ers
What exactly is the thought process here? That Jimmy could be better with a team with a good defense and a QB friendly offense? He’s in the most QB friendly offense in the league and has had a top 5-10 defense since he got to SF. Fact is he can’t stay healthy and he’s an average starter in the league at best.
There is no argument here. Brady was the clear choice then and in hindsight
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Again, is there any team out there better with Can Newton than Tom Brady?
The choice to bring in cam is a completely separate decision than anything to do with Brady/Jimmy. So I don’t understand your point.
You guys are brain dead if you think it’s as simple as “pats would’ve rather Jimmy because he would be better than they had in 2020”. That’s an insane take.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:58 pm to wildtigercat93
You are also refusing to understand the kings ransom they would have got for brady
Instead they got nothing for him
Instead they got nothing for him
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:01 pm to lsupride87
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You are also refusing to understand the kings ransom they would have got for brady
I’ll take the hall of fame production from the QB over the overinflated value of draft picks that we have no idea if they would’ve hit on or not
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Instead they got nothing for him
Again they got two super bowl runs and a championship out of it. And incredible QB production during that time.
You’re truly an insane person if you believe the Pats would go back in time and pick Jimmy.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:06 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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But Bill didn't want to be stuck with an outsized contract for a player who could suddenly hit the wall. There are no villains here.
Sure
Bill finally had to do without Brady and didn't make the playoffs for the first time in how long?
And Brady won the Super Bowl.
Billy is a genius!
So many analytics charts gone over just to arrive at the obvious conclusion he has no clue.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:22 pm to wildtigercat93
Great post......
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:54 pm to RollTide1987
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he also refused to acknowledge Brady as a vital cog in his machine
This is stupid. Belichick knows what Brady meant to him. He also believes in not giving star players preferential treatment. I respect that.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:14 pm to RollTide1987
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Brady is a better GM than Belichick
Since losing to the Eagles in the SB I would absolutely agree.
The WRs/TEs that departed left huge holes in that offense. And BB pretty much did nothing to fill them. AB and Gordon were almost untouchable and that's the only reason he took them. Ben Watson was old and Sanu wasn't the answer either.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:48 pm to RollTide1987
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Though to Shannon Sharpe's credit, he's criticizing Belichick and his GM abilities.
Loool
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:53 pm to VADawg
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Brady is great. Belichick is great. Why can't we just leave it at that? It takes all time greats in both spots (coach and QB) to have a long, sustained run like that.
What else we have to do?
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