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re: I'm proud of the U.S.A. Men's Hockey team, but..

Posted on 2/23/26 at 8:18 pm to
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 8:18 pm to
Nope. USA!
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 8:19 pm to
Like China
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30363 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 8:19 pm to
OP

Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
17846 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 8:20 pm to
quote:

They won Silver in 2022
Gold in 2018
Can you remind me how many NHL players played for those teams or their competition?
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
17846 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 8:34 pm to
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Russia’s center depth is atrocious
Malkin
Namestnikov
Kuznetsov (KHL)
Winger / KHL

Hard to believe there was a time when players of Fedorov, Larionov, and Datsyuk's calibers not only played at the same time, but on the same team
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150169 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 8:37 pm to
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2026 will always have an asterisk next to it since Russia was excluded from the games.

They're arguably the strongest country when it comes to hockey.

Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 8:56 pm to
there is no comparison when it comes to the defensive pairings that the US and Canada can put out on the ice and what Russia can

5 all star forwards. potentially the best goalie in the world

HUUUUUUGe drop off after that when compared to the US and canadian rosters

they would compete for a medal but would not have beaten either the US or canada
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 8:57 pm
Posted by Jrv2damac
KS
Member since Mar 2004
73198 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 9:03 pm to
Your birth certificate should have an asterisk.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37369 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 9:22 pm to
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Now we're pretending that Russia isn't historically one of the best countries for hockey

Russia would have won bronze, but would not have beaten either USA or CAN in a semi final. They’d have replaced Finland in the final four most likely
Posted by Translator
Member since May 2025
1033 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 9:51 pm to
Their strengths would be top 6 forwards and goaltending. I criticized Canada for being on the older side, while US's strengths were youth and balance throughout the lineup.

Russia's defense would be fairly awful, compared to other top teams. At best they are probably a bronze medal team this year. Goaltending is elite and possibly the best trio of any country. So there's that.
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
17846 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 10:31 pm to
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People who acknowledge that Russia would have been one of the favorites to win Gold if they were in
4th behind Sweden

Which isn't so hot when there would be only 5 teams with actual medal chances
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 10:43 pm to
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Russias only gold in Olympics was in 2018 and they weren’t even representing Russia so technically Russia has never even won Gold at the Olympics.

i mean this is true but the Soviet Union won 7 golds in 9 appearances

but yeah Russia isn't top dog in Hockey without those Czechia and Slovakian players
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150169 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 10:46 pm to
That was also when if you played for money in the USSR you were an amateur but if you played in North America you were a professional
Posted by facher08
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
6098 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 11:15 pm to
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but yeah Russia isn't top dog in Hockey without those Czechia and Slovakian players


Why would they be playing for the Soviet Union and not Czechoslovakia?
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39421 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 11:28 pm to
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i mean this is true but the Soviet Union won 7 golds in 9 appearances


* (and Taiwan won every LLWS in the 70s because birth certificates were apparently issued 5 years after the players actual birth or something like that)...

Soviet National team was called the Red Army because they were in the Red Army, on paper, although Tretiak (the best Goalie in the World allegedly) says he never did a minute of Army training in his 15 years with the National team.

As for the Soviet golds, Canada boycotted International competition because of the Soviet professionals and said they wouldn't play in International competitions until they could use their best players.

quote:

Before the 1972 Olympics, Canada petitioned the IOC to use professional hockey players, claiming that the eastern European countries were using such athletes.

The IOC rejected Canada’s request, and the Canadian hockey team withdrew from the competition. Canada refused to send a hockey team to the 1976 Games as well.


Canada sent their amateur team to 1980 Lake Placid and stunk up the joint finishing in 6th place, as we beat their International nemesis with our amateurs.
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
8250 posts
Posted on 2/24/26 at 6:27 am to
frick you
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
24078 posts
Posted on 2/24/26 at 6:55 am to
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So they do pretty well when NHL players aren’t allowed?


They do have the 2nd strongest professional league the KHL so that definitely tracks.
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
24078 posts
Posted on 2/24/26 at 6:56 am to
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Russia’s center depth is atrocious and their D is nowhere near as good as US, Canada, Sweden, etc.

There’s a reason the term Russian Defense exists.

Basically just slashing and hooking your opponent and hoping a penalty doesn’t get called.
Posted by Zap Rowsdower
MissLou, La
Member since Sep 2010
16227 posts
Posted on 2/24/26 at 7:10 am to
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Why would they be playing for the Soviet Union and not Czechoslovakia?


Because in Czechoslovakia you could always find a hockey team, in Soviet Russia hockey team finds you.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49999 posts
Posted on 2/24/26 at 7:12 am to
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Russian players these days ain’t nothing but goalies and 40 year olds.

Don't shite on Artemi Panarin like that
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