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If the Big East Didn't Play Itself in the Round of 32
Posted on 3/21/11 at 5:34 am
Posted on 3/21/11 at 5:34 am
It wouldn't have any teams in the Sweet 16.
And yet ESPN force-feeds this conference's greatness to us every chance they get. And EVERY SINGLE SECOND of their conference tournament is nationally televised.
And yet ESPN force-feeds this conference's greatness to us every chance they get. And EVERY SINGLE SECOND of their conference tournament is nationally televised.
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 5:40 am to lsutigers1992
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It wouldn't have any teams in the Sweet 16.
You realize they could have had MORE teams in the sweet 16 if they didn't have to play each other.
if the 2 teams didn't play each other, that means they would have had 4 teams playing for a shot at the sweet 16.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 5:49 am to lsutigers1992
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If the Big East Didn't Play Itself in the Round of 32
or they could have had more
Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:07 am to shel311
I also realize that no other conference has lost a 1, 2, 3, and 4 in the first weekend of the tournament.
By that logic, you could argue the other way too. If they wouldn't have played each other, they'd be shut out.
By that logic, you could argue the other way too. If they wouldn't have played each other, they'd be shut out.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:09 am to lsutigers1992
Almost half of the Big East won first round games in the tourney. The committee did the conference absolutely no favors with the number of Big East-Big East matchups they created for the second round
Also a 1 game sample basically proves nothing when judged against an entire season of data for these teams
Also a 1 game sample basically proves nothing when judged against an entire season of data for these teams
This post was edited on 3/21/11 at 6:11 am
Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:15 am to usc6158
They lost to
Florida State
George Mason (who were down 48 in the first half to Ohio State)
VCU (whom most people argued didn't belong)
Butler (mid-major that wouldn't have been in if they didn't win the tournament)
Gonzaga (see Butler)
Morehead State (who lost to a 12 in the next game)
5 mid majors/automatic qualifiers and a mediocre ACC team.
Yeah, they're great.
Florida State
George Mason (who were down 48 in the first half to Ohio State)
VCU (whom most people argued didn't belong)
Butler (mid-major that wouldn't have been in if they didn't win the tournament)
Gonzaga (see Butler)
Morehead State (who lost to a 12 in the next game)
5 mid majors/automatic qualifiers and a mediocre ACC team.
Yeah, they're great.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:38 am to lsutigers1992
It was the best conference hands down this year. Did you watch any basketball all year or just the tournament?
Posted on 3/21/11 at 7:17 am to rutiger
It couldn't have possibly been the best conference.
When 6 top-four seeds lose, and you have 4 of them, you are OVERRATED. That is more than a trend.
When 6 top-four seeds lose, and you have 4 of them, you are OVERRATED. That is more than a trend.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 8:05 am to usc6158
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Almost half of the Big East won first round games in the tourney.
Losing to the following seeds in the 1st round: 8 (4 pts), 11 (by 15 pts), 11 (by 18 pts), 13 (1 pt)....despite being the higher seed.
The 2nd round: losing to a 4 seed (8 pts), 8 (1 pt), 10 (14 pts), and 2 conference matchups. Out of those 3 losses, only 1 was to a better seed.
Out of 11 teams, 3 were blown out by much worse seeds.
quote:2nd round included a total of 2 BE matchups. To me, that's not a large #.
The committee did the conference absolutely no favors with the number of Big East-Big East matchups they created for the second round
The BE had 2 3 seeds, 3 6 seeds and 1 11 seed. With those seeds, you are guaranteed 2 BE matchups in the 2nd round. The only way to avoid that was to drop two of the 6 seeds to a 7 seed, but that doesn't make sense after the hype of the BE.
The BE should be thanking the committee, because without those matchups the BE might have 0 or 1 team in the Sweet 16.
quote:I agree when you're talking about 1 or 2 teams, but not an entire conference. So it's just an aberration that the ACC placed more teams and the SEC placed the same amount of teams in the Sweet 16 as BE teams despite getting almost half as many teams in?
Also a 1 game sample basically proves nothing when judged against an entire season of data for these teams
This post was edited on 3/21/11 at 8:27 am
Posted on 3/21/11 at 8:24 am to lsutigers1992
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5 mid majors/automatic qualifiers and a mediocre ACC team.
Yeah, they're great.
Its not like we have 30 games of the regular season to judge, nope, we only look at 1 fluke game, that makes a lot of sense!
Posted on 3/21/11 at 8:25 am to lsutigers1992
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t couldn't have possibly been the best conference.
When 6 top-four seeds lose, and you have 4 of them, you are OVERRATED. That is more than a trend.
If they have more high seeds, then they will have more high seeds lose. Nice circular argument though.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 8:28 am to GeauxTigersLee
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I agree when you're talking about 1 or 2 teams, but not an entire conference
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So it's just an aberration that the ACC placed more teams and the SEC placed the same amount of teams in the Sweet 16 as BE teams despite getting almost half as many teams in?
wow, you suck at logic. One game in and of itself doesn't tell you anything, even if that one game has a special name.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 8:38 am to lsutigers1992
The Big East, collectively is the best conference. It's just they don't seem to have any elites.
I don't see how you dismiss the small sampling of tourney performance when judging a team. While that's true, and it is shortsided to judge how "good" a team is by one game...who cares. Everyone knows the rule; the tourney is when it counts. What you do in March matters more than in December. If your team is "not built for a touney" then it's a crappy team. I'd rather have a team that sandbags for 4 months and plays when it counts than one that plays lights out for 4 months and chokes in March.
I don't see how you dismiss the small sampling of tourney performance when judging a team. While that's true, and it is shortsided to judge how "good" a team is by one game...who cares. Everyone knows the rule; the tourney is when it counts. What you do in March matters more than in December. If your team is "not built for a touney" then it's a crappy team. I'd rather have a team that sandbags for 4 months and plays when it counts than one that plays lights out for 4 months and chokes in March.
This post was edited on 3/21/11 at 8:43 am
Posted on 3/21/11 at 8:46 am to lsutigers1992
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Florida State
As if Florida State is a bad team to lose to.
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George Mason (who were down 48 in the first half to Ohio State)
No one expected 'Nova to do anything. They really fell off at the end of the season.
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VCU (whom most people argued didn't belong)
Obviously they did belong. As for Georgetown.. read Villanova.
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Gonzaga (see Butler)
You're retarded if you don't think not having a senior player like Kennedy wouldn't have made a difference for St Johns. It's not like the 'Zags are some suprise team in the tournament, Few knows how to coach.
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Morehead State (who lost to a 12 in the next game)
ZOMG!!! teh Louisville got teh upset!!!!11!!! Welcome to the NCAA tournament, upsets happen.
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mediocre ACC team
Obviously you didn't watch FSU at all this year.
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Yeah, they're great.
And you're great on actually following the tournament besides the scoreboard.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 8:52 am to Ghostfacedistiller
quote:Having 16 teams helps the strength of the conference, especially when a few of those are basketball only schools.
The Big East, collectively is the best conference. It's just they don't seem to have any elites.
quote:Last year the BE got 8 teams into the tournament. 0 Final Four, 1 Elite 8, 3 Sweet 16 (including Elite 8 team). 5 of the 8 lost in the 1st 2 rounds...3 of those 5 to worse seeds.
I don't see how you dismiss the small sampling of tourney performance when judging a team.
My problem with the BE getting hyped as the "best conference" in basketball is very seldom does a BE team ever make a run deep into the tourney and very often they get upset in the 1st 2 rounds.
It's very possible looking at the matchups right now that 0 BE teams make it to the Elite 8. If they are indeed the best conference, then why do so few teams make it deep into the tournament?
Posted on 3/21/11 at 9:35 am to GeauxTigersLee
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Having 16 teams helps the strength of the conference
Do explain.
I was under the impression that teams winning a bunch of games against quality opponents helps strenght of confernce. I don't recall anyone proclaiming the WAC as the best conference when they had 16 teams.
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It's very possible looking at the matchups right now that 0 BE teams make it to the Elite 8. If they are indeed the best conference, then why do so few teams make it deep into the tournament?
because anything can happen ina one and done format and they don't have the best team, just a bunch of good ones.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 9:42 am to Ghostfacedistiller
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wow, you suck at logic. One game in and of itself doesn't tell you anything, even if that one game has a special name.
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The Big East, collectively is the best conference. It's just they don't seem to have any elites.
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 9:46 am to GeauxTigersLee
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My problem with the BE getting hyped as the "best conference" in basketball is very seldom does a BE team ever make a run deep into the tourney and very often they get upset in the 1st 2 rounds.
by playing in the best conference you play very good teams from jan-march on a nightly basis. the big east is also a very physical conference. i truely believe they wear each other out by the time the big dance rolls around.
This post was edited on 3/21/11 at 9:47 am
Posted on 3/21/11 at 9:46 am to rutiger
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The Big East, collectively is the best conference. It's just they don't seem to have any elites.
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Well, the NCAA gave them 4 of the 12 top-seeded teams in the tourney.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 9:57 am to lsutigers1992
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It wouldn't have any teams in the Sweet 16.
And yet ESPN force-feeds this conference's greatness to us every chance they get. And EVERY SINGLE SECOND of their conference tournament is nationally televised.
What is your agenda here?
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