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re: If the Big East Didn't Play Itself in the Round of 32
Posted on 3/21/11 at 2:59 pm to lsutigers1992
Posted on 3/21/11 at 2:59 pm to lsutigers1992
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It wouldn't have any teams in the Sweet 16.
who did uconn play from the big east to get to the sweet 16?
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Posted on 3/21/11 at 3:01 pm to xiv
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Arguing that a conference "deserved more bids" is what I call Billypackery
Posted on 3/21/11 at 3:02 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
quote:Cincinnati
who did uconn play from the big east to get to the sweet 16?
Posted on 3/21/11 at 3:03 pm to xiv
somehow i just completely fricking confused my sides of the bracket. i feel like a bitch.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 3:04 pm to xiv
The Big East isn't overrated. It's still the best conference.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 3:27 pm to xiv
quote:I would argue Villanova didn't deserve a bid over VT, but we're getting on a different argument now.
So which Big East school got in and didn't deserve it, and which team on the outside deserved to get in instead?
quote:How many of those wins were against Big East teams? All of them. Losses to every ranked OOC team they played. When almost half of the BE teams are ranked, it's much easier to get wins against ranked teams.
A good tie-breaker would be the fact that Marquette, going into the tournament, had six wins over ranked teams; VT had 3.
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Arguing that a conference "deserved more bids" is what I call Billypackery. It's an argument that makes absolutely no sense since a bids are given to teams, not conferences.
Since teams play in conferences, then they get evaluated against those conferences.
quote:Using W/L %, not W/L record. I believe that's the fairest way to compare. Also, higher % of teams making it to the Sweet 16.
Careful if you're going to use w/l record in the tournament to prove anything. The Big East is guaranteed at least 10 losses, and the ACC is guaranteed no more than four. And losing 10 in the tournament is much better than losing four, anyway.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 3:33 pm to GeauxTigersLee
Eliminate BE vs BE. Prove to me that the BE teams deserved their pedigree using OOC wins.
IMO, using the argument of ranked teams in the BE beating other ranked teams in the BE does not prove that the BE is the best conference.
Why is it that out of 37 teams, 7 of the bottom 10 OOC SOS are Big East teams?
IMO, using the argument of ranked teams in the BE beating other ranked teams in the BE does not prove that the BE is the best conference.
Why is it that out of 37 teams, 7 of the bottom 10 OOC SOS are Big East teams?
Posted on 3/21/11 at 3:36 pm to GeauxTigersLee
quote:Not at all. If Conference A and Conference B both have 10 schools, and Conference A goes 5-3 in the tournament, and Conference B goes 8-8 in the tournament, who did better?
Using W/L %, not W/L record. I believe that's the fairest way to compare.
Clearly it's Conference B.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 3:37 pm to GeauxTigersLee
quote:No. All games count, and teams are to be judged on all games. Marquette deserved their bid, as did the other ten schools who are in the Big East who got in.
Eliminate BE vs BE. Prove to me that the BE teams deserved their pedigree using OOC wins.
This is like saying, "Take away all the Beatles songs and then tell me how good Paul McCartney really is." No--McCartney still wrote a lot of kick-arse Beatles songs, so we give him due credit for them.
I'm not going to ignore Marquette's toughest games just because you think their conference is overrated.
quote:True.
IMO, using the argument of ranked teams in the BE beating other ranked teams in the BE does not prove that the BE is the best conference.
quote:Good question.
Why is it that out of 37 teams, 7 of the bottom 10 OOC SOS are Big East teams?
This post was edited on 3/21/11 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 3/21/11 at 5:20 pm to xiv
quote:That's the same response as others gave when they said TCU and Boise State couldn't play with the BCS conferences. I say let the OOC results, including the tournament, speak for themselves.
I'm not going to ignore Marquette's toughest games just because you think their conference is overrated.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 5:24 pm to lsutigers1992
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And yet ESPN force-feeds this conference's greatness to us every chance they get.
Yep, look out if UCon gets to Final 4.
ESPN will go into hyper-homer mode for their local boys....
Posted on 3/21/11 at 5:40 pm to GeauxTigersLee
quote:Some people like to use selective statistics to support their opinions. I certainly respect your right to do so. I prefer, however, comprehensive numbers.
That's the same response as others gave when they said TCU and Boise State couldn't play with the BCS conferences. I say let the OOC results, including the tournament, speak for themselves.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 5:59 pm to xiv
quote:I certainly appreciate your opinion, but I'm not attempting be selective. I am attempting to empirically judge the BE against the other conferences without the inconference bias. What numbers or statistics do you have that proves the BE is superior to the other conferences?
Some people like to use selective statistics to support their opinions. I certainly respect your right to do so. I prefer, however, comprehensive numbers.
Also, how is it being selective when I judge the BE teams against teams from other conferences on the court? Is that not why they play the games?
This post was edited on 3/21/11 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:09 pm to GeauxTigersLee
quote:It appears as if the subject at hand is unclear.
I certainly appreciate your option, but I'm not attempting be selective. I am attempting to empirically judge the BE against the other conferences without the inconference bias.
For the purposes of this post only, let's say that the question at hand is, Should Marquette get an at-large bid?
The acronym "OOC" does not belong in the answer. Marquette played 30+ games, and they are to be considered equally. OOC games count just as much as conference games. "Take away the Big East games and then tell me how strong they are" doesn't work. Marquette played 18 games vs. the Big East plus its conference tournament, and those games count, no matter how you look at it.
If the question is, How strong is the Big East? then one must only use OOC since the Big East will go .500 against itself.
quote:Unless you consider a team's entire schedule, you're being selective. It's just what the word means.
Also, how is it being selective when I judge the BE teams against teams from other conferences on the court?
Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:13 pm to xiv
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It appears as if the subject at hand is unclear.
For the purposes of this post only, let's say that the question at hand is, Should Marquette get an at-large bid?
The acronym "OOC" does not belong in the answer. Marquette played 30+ games, and they are to be considered equally. OOC games count just as much as conference games. "Take away the Big East games and then tell me how strong they are" doesn't work. Marquette played 18 games vs. the Big East plus its conference tournament, and those games count, no matter how you look at it.
If the question is, How strong is the Big East? then one must only use OOC since the Big East will go .500 against itself.
This same thing could be argued about SEC football in most years. The bowl games and a couple of OOC match-ups are all to go by really.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:29 pm to xiv
quote:and that has been my point the entire time. The BE is not as strong as everyone seems to think.
If the question is, How strong is the Big East? then one must only use OOC since the Big East will go .500 against itself.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:30 pm to bomber77
quote:I agree. It's the only way to judge the strength of a conference.
This same thing could be argued about SEC football in most years. The bowl games and a couple of OOC match-ups are all to go by really.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 6:33 pm to paperstreet
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paperstreet
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No one expected 'Nova to do anything. They really fell off at the end of the season.
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ZOMG!!! teh Louisville got teh upset!!!!11!!! Welcome to the NCAA tournament, upsets happen.
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Obviously they did belong. As for Georgetown.. read Villanova.
Your rebuttals in this post are really weak FWIW
Posted on 3/21/11 at 7:09 pm to bomber77
quote:Less for the SEC than for any other conference. The SEC played more BCS schools per conference member than any other BCS conference last year.
This same thing could be argued about SEC football in most years. The bowl games and a couple of OOC match-ups are all to go by really.
And including bowls, you usually have upwards of 50 games to go by if you want to count OOC games. It isn't as if the sample size is completely unreliable.
Posted on 3/21/11 at 9:05 pm to GeauxTigersLee
quote:Everyone that I've heard, with an exception of some homer local sportswriters in Big East towns, has debated whether the Big East or the Big Ten was the top conference. They were right when they said that those were the top two conferences.
and that has been my point the entire time. The BE is not as strong as everyone seems to think.
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