re: If Andrew Luck Wins the Rookie of the Year

12/21/12

I think if only 1 makes the playoffs, that QB will win. If 2 or more will, it will be a debate

Luck may have the most passing yards by a rookie QB in history, and may win 10-11 games. RG3 missed one of their teams wins, and if he misses another game (I think he's prob playing), then he should lose out on the award as he'll have missed 13% of the games. Wilson came out of nowhere honestly and should win it IMO

RG3 and Wilson are running a college offense with great running games and when they pass, they only have half the field to read. Luck has an entire new system to learn and has been given the entire offense.

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Brady should never win one because of Cassell?

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The Cassell argument is way over-blown imo. The Patriots were 16-0 the year before and fell off to 11-5 with Cassell and missed the playoffs.

Thats the same as a new QB taking over a 9-7 playoff team and going 4-12 the next year and saying there's no drop off.

I would take Griffen over LUCK in a heartbeat. Luck has been clutch, but The Colts were NOT that bad of a team, just needed Manning. IF Manning was there last year the Colts STILL win 10 games. If the Redskins didn't have RG3 they may have 6 wins. Wilson is an interesting story. Seattle could be a dangourous team. BUT it ALL comes down to the playoffs. And I believe that the one who would shine is RG3.

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For people weighing the Colts' improvement from 2 to 9 wins, consider that the Colts had great incentive to lose last year (i.e., to draft Luck) and almost no reason to win, particularly late in the season.

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The Colt's 2 wins came in week 15 and 16.

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Andrew Luck is the worst QB in the NFL on the road.

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Luck's season pales in epic proportions to anything RG3 or Russell Wilson have done.

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Sounds like your racists. What do you have against white ppl?

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Luck is arguably the most valuable player to his team in the league.

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Wow, this guy. You think Luck is more valuable than Brees to the Saints? Brady or Manning to the Pats/Broncos? Romo to Dallas? frick, what would the Vikings be without AP? That's such a terrible statement it barely deserves a reply.

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You know who else has a great completion percentage, passer rating, TD:int ratio, etc? Alex Smith. Crown him.

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You honestly think if Alex Smith was 3rd in the NFL in passer rating as a rookie and leading the 49ers to a division title that he wouldn't be in the ROY conversation? Is that the ridiculous statement you're making? Smith doesn't deserve to be in the MVP conversation just like none of these 3 do. He would, however, be in the ROY discussion if he was a rookie. That's not debatable.

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You're really going to sit there and act like having rookie playmakers is some big advantage Luck has, like its so easy to succeed as a rookie. Give me a break, man. This is a 2 win team from a year ago, with rookie skill players, a makeshift OL, a coach with leukemia, and a below average defense. Luck has shouldered the load and is going to lead this team to the playoffs.

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Just because they're rookies doesn't mean they can't be playmakers. Would you ask me before the season if I thought it was likely that TY Hilton would be the playmaker he is as a rookie I'd be skeptical, but he is, period. Can you doubt that Martin is a playmaker because he's a rookie? Do you watch Colts games? Hilton gets as much separation as the top WRs in the league. He's fricking always wide open. Also, Donnie Avery has been a productive receiver at every location when healthy. He's got lots of guys to throw it to, and they've built around him well (just like the Redskins and Seahawks have done around their rookie QBs).

Also, you bring-up Indy's D. They're almost the exact same as Washington's in PPG and 8 spots better in YPG. And again, RG3 makes a decision on every single play for the Redskins. He shoulders just as much load as Luck. It may be in a different form, but it's not like he's doing nothing.

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And no we are going to throw out the schedule argument. The Colts were supposed to be that cupcake team, don't you understand that?

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So the easy schedule argument doesn't work, because the Colts were supposed to suck? WTF?

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If Luck played for Tennessee they'd be the best team in the AFC with those weapons

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Lol. Never go full retard. It's very dangerous.

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Wow, this guy. You think Luck is more valuable than Brees to the Saints? Brady or Manning to the Pats/Broncos? Romo to Dallas? frick, what would the Vikings be without AP? That's such a terrible statement it barely deserves a reply.

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You don't know what arguably means, huh?

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You honestly think if Alex Smith was 3rd in the NFL in passer rating as a rookie and leading the 49ers to a division title that he wouldn't be in the ROY conversation? Is that the ridiculous statement you're making?

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No. You suck at following along. Im saying it's easy to have nice passing numbers when your sample size is so small. It doesn't mean you are a great QB. Throw the ball 500+ times a year like Brady, Brees, and Rodgers and then come hang your hat on passer rating and completion percentage.

You want to knock Luck's "bad" numbers, which are a result of having to throw the ball a ton, but in the same breath want to praise Griffin's, who is 26th in the NFL in pass attempts? Well no shite, he has 4 INT. No shite, he has a high completion %. No shite, his passer rating is through the roof. He is asked to be a run first QB in a college offense. Congrats, what a feat! He's a guy winning a batting title in 250 at bats.

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Just because they're rookies doesn't mean they can't be playmakers. Would you ask me before the season if I thought it was likely that TY Hilton would be the playmaker he is as a rookie I'd be skeptical, but he is, period. Can you doubt that Martin is a playmaker because he's a rookie? Do you watch Colts games? Hilton gets as much separation as the top WRs in the league. He's fricking always wide open. Also, Donnie Avery has been a productive receiver at every location when healthy. He's got lots of guys to throw it to, and they've built around him well (just like the Redskins and Seahawks have done around their rookie QBs).

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Ah, the old "it's the WR getting open" argument. Kinda like the WRs were the reason Tebow couldn't complete a pass in DEN, now they are all world. You should pull your head out your arse and realize it's Luck putting the ball into these guys hands.


derp derp never go full retard. Good argument. Your witty sayings and emoticons go a long way.

Morris, RGIII, Luck, Wilson all deserving, whoever wins shouldn't be an issue...

"More deserving" is arbitrary as a valid argument could be made for any, it is just what do youvalue more? Core stats (touchdowns/int/yards/etc), intangibles (leadership, come from behind victories), or team record based on what the team did last season.