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re: Ichiro, CC Sabathia and Billy Wagner elected to baseball Hall of Fame
Posted on 1/22/25 at 8:02 am to AlecRock23
Posted on 1/22/25 at 8:02 am to AlecRock23
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will Pete rose or shoeless Joe Jackson ever get in?
No.
Pete made his bed, he could have been back managing the Reds in 1990 if he’d told the truth to start with, that option was given to him, but he looked at it like a dumb competitive jock instead of strategically and thought he could hustle and beat the rap by lying for decades, and he couldn’t. And then he said F off when he was given another road map for making it go away because it involved him giving up gambling for the rest of his life and he wouldn’t do that. And then there’s the stuff with the underage girl …
And before anyone waves Joe Jackson’s .375 batting average at me as proof he wasn’t involved in the fix, or tries to paint him as a slobbering moron who didn’t know what he was doing, all you have to do is get the records and compare his performance at bat and in the field in the games the White Sox were trying to win vs. the games they were trying to lose. It will be enlightening.
That’s another thing fans don’t understand. The White Sox weren’t trying to lose every game. They were trying to manipulate the betting line.
He also simply couldn’t read or write, something that was not uncommon for a product of the rural South in that era. (Or later, for NASCAR fans, the great crew chief Jake Elder was and the driver Morgan Shepherd is illiterate.) He was not retarded. He successfully owned and ran three businesses after getting kicked out of baseball and died with plenty of money in the bank.
Fixing a championship series is an unpardonable sin, mic drop.
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Posted on 1/22/25 at 8:28 am to TexasTiger08
Wagner’s peak is better than Hoffman & blows Smith out of the water. His ERA+ is light years better than these guys that were career relievers. In fact I’d guess it would be 2nd or 3rd to Marino if they were all on paper.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 8:35 am to SulphursFinest
IMHO - Rickey Henderson is.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 8:40 am to SteelerBravesDawg
Andruw not being in is ridiculous.
He was a generational centerfielder for a decade. He's one of the greatest defensive CF of all time.
He was a generational centerfielder for a decade. He's one of the greatest defensive CF of all time.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 8:47 am to FightinTigersDammit
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All those black guys are playing football and basketball. The lack of black players in baseball is by choice.
Jamarcus could have been a hell of a pitcher
Posted on 1/22/25 at 8:52 am to quail man
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Hope that one writer is very proud of himself
He is sniffing his farts as we speak
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:20 am to Lester Earl
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Wagner’s peak is better than Hoffman & blows Smith out of the water. His ERA+ is light years better than these guys that were career relievers. In fact I’d guess it would be 2nd or 3rd to Marino if they were all on paper.
This is like a foreign language to people who only care about number of saves and “post season moments”
It seems to frustrate some that we can more accurately measure greatness.
Wagner clearly deserved it. One of the best of all time at his role, which is all he can control.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:55 am to InkStainedWretch
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The people who control the Hall of Fame were actually pissed off at the writers back in the 1960s and 1970s when they got especially constipated about putting people in, they were secretly cheering Frank Frisch’s Veterans Committee shenanigans.
Maybe we should let them have a voice to put in the guys from the Steroid era who need it
Like without McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Manny, A-Rod, Clemens, how do you even have a Hall of Fame? This is a direct attack on millennials’ childhood memories.
Instead we got Harold Baines
This post was edited on 1/22/25 at 9:56 am
Posted on 1/22/25 at 12:20 pm to The Boat
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10th ballot. If it takes 10 maybe you weren’t supposed to be in what’s now the hall of very good.
I can understand that logic. But there are some guys who should have been elected in their first few years but they had to wait 8,9, or 10 years. And on the flip side guys who were very borderline who got in in their first 5 years. 10 years is fair for some hemming and hawing especially since it was cut from 15 to 10 years not that long ago.
See Andruw Jones. One of the best defensive players of all time at a premier position and should have been in on defense alone by now even if he never hit a single home run. But he still has 434 of those.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 12:39 pm to SulphursFinest
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Give me Ichiro. .311 career BA
Rickey, with only 1,000 more AB's crushes all of Ichiro's stats aside from hits, in which they are equal. Plus Rickey got on base more often, which is the prime directive of a lead-off.
Ichiro OBP .355
RH OBP .401
I like Ichiro a lot but lets be real, RH is the best lead-off ever.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 12:47 pm to Undertow
If Andrew had retired five years earlier, he'd be in the Hall. The end of his career left a bad taste.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 12:52 pm to chalmetteowl
I’m over Baines, sometimes it’s OK for something good to happen to a good guy.
Bonds, Clemens, etc., from the Wild West era where everyone knew what was going on and looked the other way … commissioner’s office, union, teams, media, fans … and nobody had clean hands have served their penance and need to go in ASAP.
The people like ARod and Manny who were brazen enough to juice after the Wild West era ended and eyes were watching can squirm a little longer.
Bonds, Clemens, etc., from the Wild West era where everyone knew what was going on and looked the other way … commissioner’s office, union, teams, media, fans … and nobody had clean hands have served their penance and need to go in ASAP.
The people like ARod and Manny who were brazen enough to juice after the Wild West era ended and eyes were watching can squirm a little longer.
This post was edited on 1/22/25 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 1/22/25 at 1:53 pm to TexasTiger08
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Eck and Smoltz racked up quite a few wins as starters.
Smoltz did WAY more as a starter than a closer. Being a closer extended his career.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 1:56 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Ridiculous he's in and Schilling isn't. I know Schilling is an a-hole, but Cobb and others are in the hall.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 2:08 pm to Lsuhoohoo
What was higher: CC’s ERA or his BAC?
Posted on 1/22/25 at 6:36 pm to Jcorye1
Why is Schilling an a-hole? Because of his politics?
Posted on 1/22/25 at 6:44 pm to InkStainedWretch
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This is what fans don’t understand. The Hall of Fame is owned and controlled by the Clark family of Cooperstown, New York. It belongs to them, not to the fans. To them it’s not a sacred shrine, a Valhalla for the baseball gods. It’s a museum and a tourist attraction.
Then it's not a true Hall of Fame then
Posted on 1/23/25 at 8:33 am to msudawg1200
OK I will let them know. 
Posted on 1/23/25 at 8:33 am to Lsuhoohoo
CC is from Vallejo, California and has been very active in the community ,even while he was in NY, rebuilding baseball fields at parks through out the town. Class act and a very nice and wholesome guy.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:17 am to RoyalAir
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Andruw not being in is ridiculous.
He was a generational centerfielder for a decade. He's one of the greatest defensive CF of all time.
PREACH! It's a fricking joke! I watched him every day. I would say he's the greatest defensive CF'er ever not named Willie.
10 consecutive GG's in CF. That will never be matched!
Next year will be his best year to get in with Hamels and Braun entering the ballot. His % has gone up every year so hopefully it continues climbing to 75%.
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