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I find it crazy that people are saying Durant is the MVP this year...
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:05 pm
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Durant is now shooting 42.4% in last 3 minutes/margin of 3 or less. That % ranks 15th out of 27 players w/ at least 25 qualifying FGAs.
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Durant has taken the most shots in those situations (66) and has zero assists, per NBA.com.
While I am part of the He Man Bron Bron Hater Club, I think he has the MVP on lock...
Thoughts?
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:13 pm to TigerTatorTots
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I think he has the MVP on lock...
People who say otherwise, are just saying it out of blind hatred.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:20 pm to TigerTatorTots
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Durant has taken the most shots in those situations (66) and has zero assists, per NBA.com.
That's not very unusual among top scorers. I remember reading a stat about Kobe that he attempted 56 game-winning shots with only one assist in crunch-time situations.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:22 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Yea, if you are the most clutch and best player on your team, you are going to be taking the last shot more often then not. And why would you want your best player passing off the last shot of the game?
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:22 pm to TigerTatorTots
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42.4% in last 3 minutes/margin of 3 or less
In fairness that's a pretty good rate late in games. Not only that but 25 FGA isn't a sample of anything. That's a 1 game sample size.
For reference Kobe shoots 36% in "clutch" situations, and LeBron shoots 45%. But these numbers mean largely nothing because there's basically no sample size.
Edit: Just to further my point on 4/1, LeBron was shooting 38% late in close games. 3 weeks later, he's up to 45%. The numbers can and do change pretty quickly.
This post was edited on 4/22/12 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:32 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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And why would you want your best player passing off the last shot of the game?
The goal should be to get the best possible shot at the end of the game.
Sometimes a contested shot from Durant, Kobe, LBJ is not the best option.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:37 pm to jturn17
quote:I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean 25 FGAs in 1 game. That is 25 FGAs in the last 3 minutes. So there are 27 players who have taken 25 or more shots in the last 3 minutes of a game.
In fairness that's a pretty good rate late in games. Not only that but 25 FGA isn't a sample of anything. That's a 1 game sample size.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:37 pm to corndeaux
Sometimes its the only shot. Those guys are big time shooters and if the ball is in their hands with less then 3-4 seconds left, they are going to shoot it.
ETA: And the last 3 minutes, well Durant is a crazy good shooter and has a PG feeding him, so whatever.
ETA: And the last 3 minutes, well Durant is a crazy good shooter and has a PG feeding him, so whatever.
This post was edited on 4/22/12 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:38 pm to TigerTatorTots
Durant should prob pass meore.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:39 pm to TigerTatorTots
Bron should get the MVP no question.
and I hate him.
and I hate him.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:40 pm to TigerTatorTots
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I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean 25 FGAs in 1 game. That is 25 FGAs in the last 3 minutes. So there are 27 players who have taken 25 or more shots in the last 3 minutes of a game.
lol. You misunderstood. 25 FGA is the equivalent of one games' worth of shots. Would you use one game to determine the shooting percentage of someone? Or would you use one game to compare players ability level?
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:41 pm to BayouBengals03
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Durant should prob pass meore.
Yep. He just settles for the fadeaway deep 3. It is as bad as Kobe's fadeaway baseline jumper from the right side of the court.
I wish that teams would just run their normal offense in the last possession and take the best shot possible whenever it arose. "Clutch" fg% would dramatically rise for just about every team.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:46 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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Sometimes its the only shot
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Hero ball doesn't work very well the first 47.5 minutes of a game, why should it be the option the last 30 seconds?
The Hornets were so good at the end of games with Paul because, usually, they ran an offense (even if it was just high pnr) and Paul would pass to whomever had the best shot.
I blame the coaches more than anything else. Hero ball doesn't work at the end of the game any more than it does throughout the game.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:46 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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and has a PG feeding him,
Ehh. Durant's percentage of shots assisted drops at the end of games because good defensive teams just deny him at the end of games. That's why Westbrooks' shot attempts soar towards the end of games. Durant does a lot of ISO at the end of games for this very reason. It worked at the beginning of the season for the Thunder, but it's been crashing for the past month or so.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:48 pm to corndeaux
No, I hate hero ball. That is why Dirk beat Miami, because he did a hero layup.
And Paul is an incredible playmaker and shotmaker and with his quickness it would bring defenders down low and kick it out to wide open 3 point shooters or a big down low.
And Paul is an incredible playmaker and shotmaker and with his quickness it would bring defenders down low and kick it out to wide open 3 point shooters or a big down low.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:49 pm to jturn17
More, he has a very quick guard who requires attention. Probably more accurate.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:55 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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No, I hate hero ball. That is why Dirk beat Miami, because he did a hero layup.
Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
Either way, didn't Dirk start that possession by getting the ball on a post up and then face up his defender? Whatever it was, not settling for a fadeaway was the smart, determined play.
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And Paul is an incredible playmaker and shotmaker and with his quickness it would bring defenders down low and kick it out to wide open 3 point shooters or a big down low.
Agreed. Paul is certainly unique.
I understand wanting the ball in your best player's hands, but I just think teams could be more creative off ball in these spots. Some better options might open up instead of contested, step back 20 footers.
ETA: And you're right, more often than not, having Kobe try a tough shot is a better option than having Steve Blake do anything
This post was edited on 4/22/12 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 4/22/12 at 8:03 pm to corndeaux
No it wasn't sarcasm. I truly hate hero ball which Wade and Lebron fell in love with after the Chicago series. It was great because they were trying these 3 point shots to look great and Dirk just kinda did a simple layup for the win. And yea he was facing them and then burned his defender for the easy layup.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 8:18 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
+1 
Posted on 4/22/12 at 8:20 pm to corndeaux
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Hero ball doesn't work very well the first 47.5 minutes of a game, why should it be the option the last 30 seconds?
A basket at the end of the game is worth the same as at the beginning so why should a team's offensive strategy really change. If anything the defensive strategy might push an offense to move away from hero ball.
I would say that you should see more passing to open players when discussing these superstar scorers. A heavily guarded superstar should not give you a better chance of a winning shot than a fricking NBA starter on the floor shooting one of their normal shots (obviously there are some exceptions).
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