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re: How many games would an elite high school all star team win in the MLB?

Posted on 4/1/13 at 10:56 pm to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 10:56 pm to
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college teams beat pro teams every now in then in exhibition (last I remember is BC beat the Red Sox a few years ago)


yea and the major league teams do not play their best players all game, if at all. Certainly not the pitchers
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 10:59 pm to
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Just in the past few years, Bryce Harper, Strassburgh, Mike Trout, Mike Stanton, Jayson Heyward


Harper, Strasburg and Trout are once-in-a-lifetime type talents and Stanton has a very developed adult body for his age. They are the exceptions to the rule. As for Heyward, he had a big-time sophomore slump in 2011 hitting only .227 with a .708 OPS. In 2012, he struck out 158 times and only had a .335 OBP. He's gone through plenty of growing pains like most players of his age group go through.
Posted by Rig
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:00 pm to
And the context of the OP is in the regular season how many games would they win against the top competition and teams going all out day in and day out playing their best 25 in their organization.. a high school team and college team cannot begin to touch the pitching depth or talent on any of these MLB teams. The college team might be lucky enough to have 1 pitcher that will get a chance to pitch in the big leagues but the majority of them will either not pitch in minor league ball or fizzle out in rookie or single A ball.

Not even gonna start with the hitting which is worlds apart.
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:01 pm to
Obviously, but they're still pro players.
Listen, I'm not saying the high school guys are anywhere close to the same level as the pros. But it's 162 games in a sport that is all about hand eye coordination and timing. They would win a few games just bc they'd run into some fastballs, a pitcher would be off his stuff, and a team would have a bad hitting game or hit a bunch of balls right at people
Posted by 1ranter1
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:02 pm to
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Anyone think they get to 10 wins? 20? more?


Anyone who thinks this should be banned from ever talking about baseball again.
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:02 pm to
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The college team might be lucky enough to have 1 pitcher that will get a chance to pitch in the big leagues

Right bc most of the "can't miss" prospects go straight to the pros out of high school, and are the guys I'm talking about
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:05 pm to
The Orioles had JJ Hardy, Adam Jones, Matt Wieters, Mark Reynolds, and Wilson Betemit in their starting lineup that game. They also had Jason Hammel make the start and two of their ML relievers pitched in that game. It's not like the Orioles had their B team out there. Most of the players who played in that game either started opening day or made the Orioles opening day 25-man roster. It's not inconceivable that a good college team is capable of stealing a win from a MLB team every now and then.
Posted by Rig
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:05 pm to
The pitchers at the big league level wouldn't have to throw a fastball. They'd hook ball you, throw pitches of caliber you've never seen before at a high school level, and play mind games with you.

Back when I played I took listens from a guy that played half a season with the Cubs and came out of the pen before getting hurt and ending his career. He faced Adam Dunn one day in his first week called up. Adam Dunn got a fastball from him at 94 mph and swung late. The pitcher decided to try again and he threw 94 mph by him again with Dunn being way late. He chose to throw another 94 mph 0-2 fastball and Dunn took it 450 ft to dead center, winked, and smiled at the pitcher as he left to trot around the bases.

These are the type of guys you are dealing with here. Baseball is majority mental and a high school team has zero ability to play on the level of an MLB team.
Posted by Rig
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:06 pm to
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Right bc most of the "can't miss" prospects go straight to the pros out of high school, and are the guys I'm talking about
By pros you mean rookie ball and even then majority of those guys fail to get to the next level. Realize that there are 50 rounds of picks each year for MLB teams... and 99% of those picks turn out as busts.
Posted by Requiem For A Dawg
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:07 pm to
Are you trolling?

This shouldn't even be a discussion.
Posted by Rig
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:08 pm to
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It's not inconceivable that a good college team is capable of stealing a win from a MLB team every now and then.
That's possible. I'll concede you that. Back to the original topic.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:08 pm to
an elite hs team probably wouldn't even beat the sig ep intramural squad bro
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:10 pm to
a team of all bregmans would go undefeated in the mlb
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:10 pm to
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Baseball is majority mental

Don't go that far, these guys aren't Zen masters they're professional athletes. And all that mind game stuff would kill them for awhile, but if they had a good manager and after 50 games or so, they're gonna adjust. They wouldn't lose every single game, it's not like I'm talking about kids who no nothing about baseball
Posted by Rohan2Reed
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:13 pm to
Have you ever even met a Zen master?

Yeah.. gtfo.
Posted by Rig
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:13 pm to
Alright you win they might when 1 game if it's a leap year.
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:16 pm to
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By pros you mean rookie ball and even then majority of those guys fail to get to the next level. Realize that there are 50 rounds of picks each year for MLB teams... and 99% of those picks turn out as busts.

Ok yea, so out of the 25 of the best of the best high school players in the world. All will get drafted, probably what 3-5 will make it to the bigs, maybe 1-2 will end up as really good players.

You don't think a team with 15 A caliber players, 5 AA-AAA caliber players, and 5 MLB caliber players could win 1 game in the MLB?
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:16 pm to
This is the the kind of topic that B-Mac needs to weigh in on. I know he's busy right now but this is right in his wheelhouse. He's more knowledgeable about this topic than any of us. I'm sure that he'll agree with the majority of the people who said that the high schoolers will have trouble winning a single game over the course of a season.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:18 pm to
The answer is zero. Then when they are all a year older in the next season the answer is likely still zero. By the third season, they may be able to win 10 games or so..
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 11:19 pm to
I'm going to sleep, will possibly discuss more in the morning, will probably forget
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