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How Good was Doc Gooden?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:44 pm
His 1985 season is akin to Dan Marino's 1984 football season.
In 1985 his WAR was 12.2. That season is the highest WAR season for any pitcher post World War II.
Behind him, the best seasons for modern Pitchers....
Steve Carlton, 1972 12.1
Roger Clemens, 1997, 11.9
Pedro Martinez, 2000, 11.7
Randy Johnson, 2002, 10.7
In 1985 his WAR was 12.2. That season is the highest WAR season for any pitcher post World War II.
Behind him, the best seasons for modern Pitchers....
Steve Carlton, 1972 12.1
Roger Clemens, 1997, 11.9
Pedro Martinez, 2000, 11.7
Randy Johnson, 2002, 10.7
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:49 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
24-4
1.53 ERA
16 complete games
268 strikeouts
Unreal stats
1.53 ERA
16 complete games
268 strikeouts
Unreal stats
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:50 pm to SCLibertarian
All while coked up. Even more unreal.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:50 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Pretty pretty good.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:58 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Could have been one of the best ever if his life wasn't such a train wreck.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:04 pm to The Godfather
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Could have been one of the best ever if his life wasn't such a train wreck.
Mic drop
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:06 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Even after all the bs and age was catching up, he was really good. He was nearly unhittable as a coked up thrower... if he had learned the art of pitching earlier and stayed off the powder, he woulda been an actual all-time great vs the what-if that he is.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:34 pm to The Godfather
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Could have been one of the best ever if his life wasn't such a train wreck.
Also, probably didn't help that at age 21 he had pitched 750 innings and 35 complete games, and that was a heavy diet of fastballs with movement. That's a lot of stress on a young arm. Managers would never handle a young phenom like that today.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:37 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Would’ve been an all time great if he could’ve stayed off the drugs and out of trouble
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:40 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Former Astros great
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:41 pm to VABuckeye
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All while coked up. Even more unreal.
That dugout must have been wild time with Doc and Strawberry
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:41 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
His first 3 years are among the best stretches in modern baseball. He had another 7-8 good years after that.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:43 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
The 86 Mets were one of the biggest train wreck, out of control, drugged out teams in history. And they were amazing despite all of it. There is a reason that team fizzled out so fast after the 86 championship. There a documentary out there about them that is good watch.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:44 pm to ChanceOfRainIsNever
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Would’ve been an all time great if he could’ve stayed off the drugs and out of trouble
Probably can be said about most of the ‘86 Mets, such as Keith Hernandez, Lenny Dykstra, and Darryl Strawberry.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 4:06 pm to Hetfield
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There is a reason that team fizzled out so fast after the 86 championship.
I wouldn't say they fizzled out, they were a good until 1991, that's not a bad run. Things were different back then only two teams made it into the playoffs. After 1986 they won 92, 100, 87, and 91 games. The only season they made the playoffs was the 100 win season. Hell, in 1985 they won 98 games and didn't make the playoffs, it was a lot tougher back then.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 5:12 pm to The Godfather
You had to win the division to get in the playoffs. The two years the Cardinals were whole in ‘85 and ‘87, they won the division, though the Mets might have won in ‘87 had Gooden not missed two months for drug rehab. They fell in a big hole and couldn’t come all the way back. I think ‘87 is really the year everyone remembers where the Mets’ issues might have cost them a division title or more.
The Cubs came out of nowhere in ‘89 and that’s about the time the Mets were aging out. And the Pirates emerged in ‘90 in Strawberry’s last year in NY.
The Cubs came out of nowhere in ‘89 and that’s about the time the Mets were aging out. And the Pirates emerged in ‘90 in Strawberry’s last year in NY.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 5:33 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I grew up a Mets fan, and it was a pleasure watching him and strawberry in their primes
Posted on 1/31/25 at 5:41 pm to AUFANATL
Mel Stottlemyre screwed him up too
Posted on 1/31/25 at 6:17 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
A couple 6 inch lines and he could sling it
Posted on 1/31/25 at 6:17 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
He was pretty good. Amazing fastball and a 12 to 6 o'clock curve. Off the field stuff got to him. That entire Mets team was a coke fest.
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